@Pete Lewis True and good advice. True, the seal seems fine, but I had new ones and thought I gone so far, I might as well use them. My washers were bit sad, seen a new trunnion kit is £7, I will replace those as well - big mistake. I order 3 different once from 3 different suppliers and they are wrong in 3 different ways. Finally got a set of superpro from MossBors which is a different washerless design, but not pretending to be something they are not, that seems it will do the job.