PeteH Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 13/60. Engine Parts (Canley 114774) shows what appears to be a Tapered plug. (as does the Vittesse 2L parts list) Used properly, it will seal, without "goriila" pressure, PTFE wouldnt hurt, although It should not be necessary. Looking at the O-P`s photo. The Sump does appear to have a decent flat face? if so it should take a shoulder`d plug and seal washer?, if you can find one. Which to my mind, is the better "engineering". Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 I bought a magnetic Gold Plug IP03X for my Vitesse. Has the correct taper thread and a very strong magnet. Cost about £20 off Ebay. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, PeteH said: 13/60. Engine Parts (Canley 114774) shows what appears to be a Tapered plug. (as does the Vittesse 2L parts list) Used properly, it will seal, without "goriila" pressure, PTFE wouldnt hurt, although It should not be necessary. My 13/60 has the tapered plug (11mm spanner still works) but it leaks. I haven't tried PTFE yet but I must admit to the extra few turns whilst under the car in the hope of achieving a seal of some sorts. I tried the large hexagon nut on the GT6, it leaked, tried to reuse it on the Herald Estate, it also leaked. Probably the fault of the copper sealing washer but they never seem to be an exact fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 I've found what I think is the invoice for the plug I have as a spare, the part number is 155660. I put my glasses on and checked out the plug - definitely tapered. I think I bought it for the gearbox but not fitted yet - oil always changed at local garage as its easier . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: never seem to be an exact fit. its more the outer sealing face on the sump which has to be perpendicular to the tapped hole as many of our sumps dont have a sealing face as not part of the deisign , some will work some wont the taper with a hex head seems the best so far or just ....................... ban gorillas Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Colin Lindsay said: My 13/60 has the tapered plug (11mm spanner still works) but it leaks. I haven't tried PTFE yet but I must admit to the extra few turns whilst under the car in the hope of achieving a seal of some sorts. They do have to be done up pretty well. The manual says 3kg.m so to my weird way of thinking using an 11mm spanner thats 160mm long youve got to hang 18 litres of water off the end of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, johny said: They do have to be done up pretty well. The manual says 3kg.m so to my weird way of thinking using an 11mm spanner thats 160mm long youve got to hang 18 litres of water off the end of it... How does that equate to seventeen stone of owner hanging off it?? More, or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 So youre the gorrilla! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 I went through all of this on the last oil change. Mangled plug, wouldn't shift. Ah, get a new plug before you try to shift the old one, then if you do mangle it beyond use, you have a spare. Ordered a replacement from one of the usual suspects. It arrived so I started. Mole wrench and rubber hammer. Eventually I won, mangling the head even more. Come to fit the new one...yes, you're there before me...wrong fit. Then I read about tapered threads, straight threads, copper washers, magnetic cores and, oh yes, different threads on the plugs. Back in the old one went and is still there waiting the next oil change. I now have a selection of plugs, just in case. You will find a few comments on these pages.. https://forum.tssc.org.uk/topic/7297-new-gt6-mk2-purchase-help-me-improve-it-further/page/12/#comment-113536 https://forum.tssc.org.uk/topic/7038-sump-plug-stuck/#comment-92000 https://forum.tssc.org.uk/topic/5384-sump-plug-thread/?tab=comments#comment-65257 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Colin Lindsay said: How does that equate to seventeen stone of owner hanging off it?? More, or less? Fine as long as you haven't got a mug of tea in one hand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Badwolf said: magnetic cores Yes, very satisfying when the plug comes out to see it clean and no nasty big metal bits on it. BUT. When it comes to putting it back in, the magnet tries to pull it to the side of the hole and I have to fight the laws of nature to get it back in correctly 😠 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 Sump plug should be should be 3/8" NPT Tapered. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, johny said: So youre the gorrilla! Yes, I must borrow John D's avatar for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, johny said: 18 litres of water off the end of it... all my WSM show as 3/8" x18 dryseal plug 20 -22lbft thats alot less water Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 no I make it the same either way and its right at the tip of the spanner so if your hand is further in you need even more water or Colin helping you😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 is your water calibrated ???? if you use gin you will need more and any spillage can be licked up Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, johny said: no I make it the same either way and its right at the tip of the spanner Johny I agree with your calculation 🤓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 its an a sump tion but you will get very wet there aint a lot of room under there for 18ltrs and an old knee crippled fitter Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 Bit of Wellseal/Blue hylamar for looser, non close fitting threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, daverclasper said: Bit of Wellseal/Blue hylamar for looser, non close fitting threads? Doing that could stop it leaking but I thought Triumphs had a total loss oiling system. You put it in at the top the car lets it out at the bottom 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chris A said: Doing that could stop it leaking but I thought Triumphs had a total loss oiling system. You put it in at the top the car lets it out at the bottom 😁 Prototype rust prevention system that didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 You must admit, very few Triumphs have rusty sumps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 Try some heat? It can't get hotter than the boiling point of the oil, but that's over 300C. No danger, the oil vapour will be inside the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 hrs this morning. I give up. Stilsons just round it off, mole grips blah. My hands are killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 oh dear, must be in a bit of a state now then? Heat next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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