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How much should the engine flex?


dougbgt6

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Part 1

A couple of years ago I put on side panels and the front cowl around the radiator on my GT6. The front cowl does a great job directing air through the radiator. The side panels do a great job looking pretty. I came to put the airfilter box back and found it fouled the side panel. I cut a piece out the side panel leaving an inch clearance under the box and lined the bare metal with rubber edging. Some months later the airbox was off again and I noticed the rubber was compressed, the air box was hitting it, couldn't have been by much or there would have been more damage. I asked the question at the time, "Is a one inch swing accepable?" no one could say, but I bought a set of NO engine mounts which still sit in my spares bin. :wub:  

Part 2

Lately the GT6 has got worse and worse at starting, deep embarasement next to Andy Cook at club night, his starts first time, on the button. I waited for him to leave before I start churning. But now it doesn't start at all.  I've done the usual stuff, cleaned plugs, new ,leads, All spark tests OK, compression, uniform and high enough, fuel, no longer leaking and reservors full, timing unchanged. Squirts of "START YA BASTARD!" and it fires! So timing and the rest OK. Hooray|  Blip the starter motor with hand over carb intake, he no suck! NO VACUUM! This must be an air leak between carb and head. Hopefully the manifold gasket. This was exactly what was wrong when I first got it running again 10+ years ago, shot manifold gasket. 

So, is 1" flex OK? Or is it knackering my manifold gaskets?

Doug

 

 

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I'd say that your diagnosis of knackered mounts is spot-on!  Get those new ones off the shelf, pronto!

John

PS this isn't "engine flex"!    The Triumph six block is so tough and rigid that in a Ferguson Tractor, a version of it forms the chassis link between the front and rear axles!  Just like Formula One cars!

It's "knackered  mount flex"!  J

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doug as the gasket was fitted by some plonker in luton and with the problems we had with fire rings i wonder if

a compression test would show some deterioration 

do we need to organise a visit one week end ???

Pete

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12 hours ago, JohnD said:

 

PS this isn't "engine flex"!    The Triumph six block is so tough and rigid that in a Ferguson Tractor, a version of it forms the chassis link between the front and rear axles!  Just like Formula One cars!

 

Tell us more John, I am interested.

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Yes, John is correct, of course the engine it's self doesn't flex! I must choose my words more carefully. But gratified he concurs.

The compression test seemed OK, all + or - 2, around 148, except one down to 140  :o 

I'll change the manifold gasket first and see if it starts, if so, then the engine mounts. 

Then perhaps a visit from the Guru of the North.

All a bit like my mum getting the house cleaned before the cleaning lady arrives!

Doug

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14 hours ago, JohnD said:

I'd say that your diagnosis of knackered mounts is spot-on!  Get those new ones off the shelf, pronto!

John

PS this isn't "engine flex"!    The Triumph six block is so tough and rigid that in a Ferguson Tractor, a version of it forms the chassis link between the front and rear axles!  Just like Formula One cars!

It's "knackered  mount flex"!  J

I didn't ‘t know there was any involvement of the ‘ six’.

I thought the Fergie had a  4 cylinder Standard Vanguard type ( wet liner) engine for the home marker - TE  20 ( Tractor England) or a Continental engine ( designated TO ,  for Tractor Overseas)  for the overseas  market.

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Same difference!    The stressed engine concept has been around since the start of the 20th century, but in F1 in was the Lotus 49 in 1967 that set the trend hor all such  cars ever since.    The front of the engine is bolted to the back of the body tub, and the rear suspension is bolted to the transaxle (gearbox/differential) behind that.   The engine/gearbox bears the stresses of the rear suspension.

John

 

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1 hour ago, Pete Lewis said:

doug if the engine block rotates 360 deg you have a problem and need a very long throttle cable

My ex-father-in-law once took me up in his bi-plane I had the seat in front, he had the driver's seat behind. We did 360 deg  barrel rolls,  I felt ill, then I noticed the intercom had gone quiet and we slowly started to dive groundward. I thought  "I have a problem".  

Now THAT's a problem!

Doug

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