New battery coding

[Iain T]

Warning!

I had Halfords install a new battery in my modern and code it to the car's brain. I saw the guy plug the gizmo in and push many buttons so I assumed it was done correctly. However the auto light sensor lamps refuse to switch off. I thought it was just an annoying glitch however on taking the car to an independent garage for a service they confirmed the battery coding wasn't performed. I saw the screen which showed the last time a battery was coded was at 0 miles not he actual mileage 57k.

So if you've had your battery changed and supposedly coded and some of your widgets do now not work it could be the crap re-coding.

The auto sensor lights now work 😊

Toooo much tech!

Iain

[andybeau]

Same thing happened to my daughter's car. Battery fitted by Halfords and bang load of warning lights and no stop start. Halfords sent her to an independent to fix. He said it was a regular occurrence with them 🙄🤷‍♂️🤦

[Iain T]

The garage who are an independent specialising in JLR, BMW and Mercedes said they re-code loads of new batteries from the likes of Halfords, Kwik Fit etc

It could have been worse as there was a Lamborghini that used to park in our car park who used to loose sleep worrying about having a flat battery as it's a Lamborghini only fit and re-code at £1000...!!

[JohnD]

Why complain here?  Complain to Halfords!

John

[andybeau]

17 minutes ago, JohnD said:

Why complain here?  Complain to Halfords!

John

Or let people know that if you need a new battery don't go to Halfords, less hassle 

[Andrew]

Why do batteries need to be coded to the car. Does the battery have a memory or does the car reconsider the battery and for what purpose.

 

Andrew

[andybeau]

4 hours ago, Andrew said:

Why do batteries need to be coded to the car. Does the battery have a memory or does the car reconsider the battery and for what purpose.

 

Andrew

Because modern cars are complicated 

Search Batteries Coded car

[Iain T]

Google search

Coding a car battery, also known as registering it, is important because it informs the vehicle's Battery Management System (BMS) and Electrical Management System (EEMS) that a new battery has been installed. This process ensures that the new battery is charged correctly and that the car's electronic features receive the correct electrical current

[Iain T]

12 hours ago, JohnD said:

Why complain here?  Complain to Halfords

I'm not complaining here merely advising that new battery registering doesn't sometimes work and a telltale is some of your cars functions may not work.

Yes I will complain to Halfords!

Iain 

[Colin Lindsay]

I remember my Volvo would display a failed bulb warning even with all bulbs working, unless you bought the proper Volvo items, as Volvo had their bulbs cleverly set to a minute fraction of difference from stock bulbs, so the car wouldn't detect off-the-shelf varieties. Very sneaky! Sad when a battery has to be coded, they'll be doing the same with petrol next.

[Iain T]

6 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said:

as Volvo had their bulbs cleverly set to a minute fraction of difference from stock bulbs,

Similar to not registering a new battery, although most of the functions worked ok, well at least for one month, the diagnostics reported lots of intermittent voltage drops.

[Chris A]

1 hour ago, Iain T said:

Google search

Coding a car battery, also known as registering it, is important because it informs the vehicle's Battery Management System (BMS) and Electrical Management System (EEMS) that a new battery has been installed. This process ensures that the new battery is charged correctly and that the car's electronic features receive the correct electrical current

I would have thought that with all the electronics and modern computing it would have been easy to programme the car to detect a change in battery on its own. Maybe the car just wants to make the owner feel he is still needed 😁

[Chris A]

My Epson printer wants me to use their ink cartridges and always questions the fact that non Epson ones are being used. I wish I could tell the printer that Epson cartridges are too f*****g expensive

[Iain T]

Or it needs to identify as a gender neutral battery 😂

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, Colin Lindsay said:

I remember my Volvo would display a failed bulb warning even with all bulbs working, unless you bought the proper Volvo items, as Volvo had their bulbs cleverly set to a minute fraction of difference from stock bulbs, so the car wouldn't detect off-the-shelf varieties. Very sneaky! Sad when a battery has to be coded, they'll be doing the same with petrol next.

I think this is a common 'feature'.   My Citroen C5 had reversing sensors on the rear bumper.    The system stopped working, but I learnt that if you listen to them they make a noise!    It's very high pitched and I'm old,  so I asked Daughter to listen, and sure enough one was silent.     I bought an identical replacement off eBay, £10 or so,  but it didn't work, so I took it to a local garage, who told me that it needed to be a Citroen branded item for the car to recognise it.   So they ordered one from Citroen - at ten times the cost! 

Most car manufacturers just about make a profit on selling cars - the real money comes from spares.

John

[Graham C]

Where is this going to stop? Coding batteries because the car needs to charge a battery correctly? This will drive small independent garages out of business so where would you take your old car. My local garage refused to change a cam belt on a Peugeot 108 as the change required specialist  equipment costing hundreds of pounds and unlikely to used again. Seems people are not changing belt according to manufacturing spec.

Recently took an 07 Landis disco 3 to a specialist for diagnostic due to warning, mechanic enjoyed working on the car as describe as simple. Cheeky mechanic referred to it as old.

Let disco 3  built 2010 and disco 4 2016.

Seems as if more good cars will be scrapped as repairs become expensive, even battery changes.

Graham

 

[Colin Lindsay]

12 hours ago, Graham C said:

Recently took an 07 Landis disco 3 to a specialist for diagnostic due to warning, mechanic enjoyed working on the car as describe as simple. Cheeky mechanic referred to it as old.

Let disco 3  built 2010 and disco 4 2016.

My 1998 Z3 is now as modern as I want to get and it's still got too many sensors. (it even uses proper oil!) 

Small wonder that so many back-street industries are springing up - most of them seem to be East European? - who can provide electronic workarounds, everything from seatbelt sensors to satnav maps, and way below the astronomical prices that the dealers are charging. I can't even get the Freelander satnav maps updated for less than £300. 

[Wagger]

For those of you who want to change the battery on your 'Modern' yourself without any coding and, if you do not need the system to know, this is how to do it.

 

If the car has jump lead connections, connect a charged spare battery to these and leave for a few hours. Leave it connected until the end of this procedure.

Disconnect the main battery making sure that the leads do not touch anything and remove it.

Replace the battery with one equal or greater in capacity than the old one and connect it.

Remove the spare battery from the jump terminals.

The car computer system will be oblivious of what you have done.

The new battery will not be overcharged unless you have used one of lower capacity.

End of procedure.

 

Old lead acid batteries (Liquid types) would tolerate most charge rates. They required constant voltage charging. Uncomplicated alternators provide this.

Most of this work has become unnecessarily complicated providing work so that you have to pay for a service that may not be necessary.

 

My son recently changed a steering ball joint on a Renault. Because the thread started a quarter of a turn different from the old one. The car had to be 'Programmed'. How ridiculous is that?

 

 

 

[AidanT]

On 16/08/2024 at 10:50, Chris A said:

My Epson printer wants me to use their ink cartridges and always questions the fact that non Epson ones are being used. I wish I could tell the printer that Epson cartridges are too f*****g expensive

Buy an epson eco- tank, I was fed up with buying ridiculously priced print cartridges.  Yes you do pay upfront for the printer  but I can now use any ink supply!

[Pete Lewis]

yes agree used one now for a few years 5 bottles of 70mm  ink for around £15 

and it lasts for ever.

mines a epson ecotank 4500  

the days of silly priced non working cartridges is a thing of the past 

get one they are well worth the intial price hike .

[Chris A]

26 minutes ago, AidanT said:

Buy an epson eco- tank

 

21 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said:

mines a epson ecotank 4500  

the days of silly priced non working cartridges is a thing of the past 

get one they are well worth the intial price hike .

I don't do a lot of printing and the generic cartridges are fairly cheap. Should the printer give up the ghost then I would look at the costs.

At least my printer uses 4 cartridges not like a model from several/many years ago that just had 2. One for black the other the 3 colours, so if one of the colours ran out you had to replace all 3.

[Colin Lindsay]

Tesco sold off a lot of the cartridges that I use for my HP Printer (just as they did with the printe ritself a few years back)

I spend £90 on about two dozen cartridges, triple-colour and black, so will have enough for about the next two years. It amazes me that some Literary Agents still insist on printed manuscripts - try printing out a 140000 word novel and see how much ink and pages that uses, then they return it as you've used a font they don't agree with, but tell you they like what they're read so far so invite you to resubmit with a different font. (We don't accept documents written in Corkscrew New Alien due to the inventor's stance on the killing of butterflies for paint products in Australia' sort of thing.) Uses ink like my Herald uses petrol, that does.

 

[PeteH]

On 16/08/2024 at 10:50, Chris A said:

My Epson printer wants me to use their ink cartridges and always questions the fact that non Epson ones are being used. I wish I could tell the printer that Epson cartridges are too f*****g expensive

Only yesterday Maureens Canon Printer rejected a Full tricolour Refill cartridge, despite accepting a Black refill only the previous week. I now have to go back at the supplier for an exchange. The more technology they throw at us, the more "control" over our lives we lose. Banks want "cashless" because they can dictate how much you spend (virtually). It goes on and on.!!😒 My old printer used 4 cartridges, big ones, lasted months. That type are getting fewer, Sadly.

On Batteries, The RAC guy changed the one on Maureens previous Quashqai, I don`t remember him having to do any computing?

Pete.

Edited September 7 by PeteH

[Colin Lindsay]

4 minutes ago, PeteH said:

 The more technology they throw at us, the more "control" over our lives we lose. Banks want "cashless" because they can dictate how much you spend (virtually). It goes on and on.!!😒 

I am grey haired for a reason but it's surprising I haven't torn it all out in frustration at computers. I'm off to the mainland at end of October for a week in York, via the most expensive ferry in the world. (£388 return for 40 miles?????)

Tesco do an offer where ClubCard points can be doubled for cash so 50 points = £100 off Stena. Tesco send a code to your e-mail whereby you can then enter the code on the Stena website for the discount. I went to log in to my Yahoo mail for the Tesco code, but Yahoo claim it's suspicious activity on a 'new computer' (I've used this one for five years now) and want a second log-in option, preferably by mobile phone on the number ending in 615. Mine ends in 665? Yahoo therefore locks me out. I try my BT e-mail for Tesco: "That e-mail is already registered." YES I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S ME. It's registered with them but I cannot use it.

Ok. Second step: create a new e-mail just for Tesco. I'll try an Apple iCloud e-mail. I have to give it permission for my location, my documents, my downloads, my apps and the type of toilet paper I prefer. Then it asks me to choose a user name. Every permutation is already taken. EVERY ONE. "triumphheralddriverwithablueliftandredsocks"... already taken. "triumphdriverwithawhitecarandbrokenoilpump"... already taken. I start to make names up. Spiderwebsarcophagus..... starlightlawnmower.... catscratchbinlid... birddroppingonlamppost...  all taken? SERIOUSLY????? So I go to the Apple Help forum this morning and it tells me I cannot create an iCloud email because I'm "USING A DEVICE THAT ONLY CONNECTS TO iCLOUD VIA THE WEB" How on earth does anyone else connect? Royal Mail? A long string?

I go back to Yahoo just now and it logs in first time, same as it always does. It even shows my correct telephone number. I hate these things. Must book the ferry before it locks me out again.

[Richeee]

Now that my Skoda is out of warranty I purchased a £60 Obd tool that opens and shuts the brakes for rear pad change. Service intervals resets and oil changes. Also resets battery on changes.   It was cheaper to buy tool, battery and do it  myself.    

I do my own servicing where possible.    

Tools are cheap for this.   Problem is peeps buying tool and resetting with out doing work.    Which is why I print of receipts for parts and keep with v5 etc.     no service book anymore.