Herald Vitesse doors. Quarterlight detail

[ian.osprey]

Copying my post from the TSSC face book page

Some questions on Herald doors.

I have searched the forum and not found any answers.
1) inner and outer weather seals. Is the outer seal one continuous length from front to back? It looks like it from the diagram, and the one I removed did, but it didn't really fit well.
2) dismantling the quarter light there was a separate, very rusty, metal seal/filler on the inside. A very skinny 'p' that might have been chromed at the top. I don't see this on the parts diagram. Any ideas?
3) How does the quarter light dismantle? I feel as though the sprung shaft is going to break trying to take it apart. Does the glass just pull out or does the lock go though it?

As always, all responses greatly appreciated.

 

[Pete Lewis]

you dont need to remove the NDV frame to fit the inner or outer seals, it can be a bit tight but it will press in place

 

the p section chromed top is the inner seal with just a fuzzy felt to touch the glass,  

 

the outer has the lip edge and may need a little trimming at the vertical frame area, its a one piece full length of the door

nothing stopping you making it a two piece   many do .

 

the green clips are best for retaining the outer , inner are from memory a bit tinner

get the correct ones from Bill at rarebits4classics

it pays to undo the top NDV fixing  bracket   one on front edge and one behind the door cardscrew to give some small amount of clearance  you dont need to remove the vent assy.

 

always tie a cotton to the clips so you can retrieve them when they fly off 

 

make a suitable hook hold and lift the clip. feed it in from the rear end of the door

 

then with 6 pairs of hands pull clip up  push seal down and i suggest a bit of soft drift the lightly tap the seal down whilst pulling clip up  then it seats fully

[68vitesse]

Outer seal one length.

 

P chrome finisher 613343 think no longer available and rare second hand.

 

Glass is just a push fit, but be very careful pulling it out, lubricate rubbers well putting it back. Think I used washing up liquid though this contains salt to thicken it I believe.

 

Bit late again.

 

Regards

 

Paul

[ian.osprey]

Thanks Gents.

I can guess what bit of the door the NDV is, but what does the acronym stand for?

I have removed the NDV's

1) to try to tighten up the inner frame. It automatically closes at anything over 20mph!! However it's rusted solid.

2) one inner frame is rusted through on the bottom corner, so need to repair that.

 

regards

Ian

[Pete Lewis]

Sorry NDV its 1970s jargon, stands for no draft vent (this being the opening quarter light)

The lock sits thro a cutout in the glass

 

nothing isnglued its all a press fit

 

assembled with often soft soap by girls on the line used a lever frame to compress the glass and rubber

into the contoured support ed light framework

 

if the nut under the spring is seized leave it in soak tale it carefull itncan shear the post off.

 

Pete

 

two shreaded wheat and its done Hmmmm !

[ian.osprey]

Thanks Pete

The post has been soaked and heated, soaked and heated, soaked and heated, (you get the picture). No luck yet.

I have a spare NDV (I can talk the talk now  ) that I'm experimenting with, which I've already sheared the post off   . I can repair it, if I can only get the brass spacer off....

 

Ian

[Pete Lewis]

they are problematic  in a poor environment and not greased ,  get a lot of rain drain , and now they are .......time for a scotch 

and much swearing 

 

Pete

[ian.osprey]

Right!

I have patched the moving frame

Substituted a 4mm screw and nut for the top rivet. This works, but even when I trim it, it's not an elegant solution. Any other ideas? The rivet is listed NA.

I have welded a sawn off bolt onto what was left of the pivot, after removing the brass sleeve.

I am pleased with the way it's turned out. This was meant to be a practise, but will probably get used.

 

 

Does anyone know if the window lock can be dismantled? Mine turns OK and clicks when moved to the in the shut position, but doesn't lock.

Pivot on the second frame is broken inside the frame. Need to think about that.

Ian

[Pete Lewis]

I used a small setscrew and a domed nut to relace the top pivot rivet, reasonably neat

 

the locking handle is often held in with a pin , needs tapping out and the lever handle detaches from the

spindle , the lock button is probably all a bit worn and bent

 

pete

[ian.osprey]

Cheers Pete.

Didn't see a pin, but then, my garage glasses are 2 prescriptions old.

 

Ian

[Pete Lewis]

Think there are two manufactures of these so you glasses might be right

 

dont forget you have to fit the rubber before you refit the top pivot , so dont find a a rivet or make a fancy

replacement , with the rubber surround sitting on the bench unless you chop the rubber to fit afterwards

 

pete