AidanT Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hi all Has anyone taken one of these apart? or replaced the lock barrel on part 710497? It would seem that they come as a single unit.i would like to change the key to open the back to the same key as my doors but would have to access the barrel o do it Any thoughts welcome Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hello Aidan. I changed the barrel on my Vitesse and it's a staright forward job. If you look at the Rimmer 710497 you will see a small pin that needs to be pushed out, there may be another within the unit and the same applies. This allows the barrel assembly to come apart. Clean up the handle interior and spray with WD40; then place new barrel in to position and replace the pin(s); all should now work. Do not use oil as it attracts dirt and can cause the lock to work inefficiently. It may be worth contacting the Lockman who specialises in all forms of keys, locks, barrels and the like - his knowledge is second to none and will certainly be a lot cheaper than purchasing via the usual suspects. His products are excellent. I presume this is the info you are seeking; if not apologies. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Aidan. This is the item you are referring to I believe ?? Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hi Yes that's the part Richard. I will have a look at the rimmers site. Is there a separate part number for the barrel only? Thx Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hello Aidan. I have looked at the site and cannot see a seperate listing for a barrel re your vehicle - may be worth giving them a buzz. However that said there is a barrel listed for the Vitesse - Rimmer item 557046 and may well be the same; I do not think Triumph would have bothered creating separate barrels for similar type vehicles; but again some cross referencing with part numbers and photos may assist. Alternatively Canleys or The Lockman The attached may assist ?? Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Separate keys on our cars are just a nuisance, I got fed up with separate keys for driver's door, passenger door, rear hatch and petrol cap. The barrels come apart very easily and the "gates" (is that what you call them?) are easily rearranged. I recall there are six in each barrel, but to make all my barrels the same I resorted to four. Now one key opens all. What does it mater? They are no barrier to theft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Aidan. I note The Lockman is going to the Triumph & MG Spares Day on the 19th February; could be useful if you are attending. It may be worth contacting him to see if he can assist, he certainly did with my lock barrel. The chap can be cotacted via 07973.374.722 or wilmotlockman@gmail.com and if all good you could collect on the day with your old unit for comparison. Failing that Rimmer will be attending the event and if you place the order beforehand they will take the item to the show which will save on postage. Just some ideas. Good luck. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Thanks all just Googled "The Lockman", are these guys a nationwide outfit I wonder? Anyway it would seem I have a local one - well Lincoln anyway so I will give him a call as you have kindly recommended him Cheers Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Aidan. This chap is a one-man-band, so certainly not nationwide - only in his travels. He is probably the leading authority on all things that require an automotive key and runs a regular column in the Classic Motor Monthly publication. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Thanks I will mail him Cheers Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just a quick update. Unfortunately your guy died a short while ago. His daughter will be attending stoneleigh but they are only able to provide simple services such as key cutting Aidat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 As I said earlier on, the barrels come apart very easily and the insides are easily rearranged to match a specific key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Thanks Aidan. That's sad news indeed. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Doug. I will probably have a go myself as you say it can't be that difficult. One possible issue may be that the tailgate key is flat on one side whereas the door key is notched on both sides Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Aidan, I think my tailgate key was the same as yours but I'm not 100% sure, it was certainly shorter than the door keys. The door key I use on the tailgate only goes in to the depth of the original key, looks a bit odd but it works fine. It may be that you have to buy a barrel and cannibalise it but you'll find out once you get them apart.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Hi again Sorry for this dumb Q but how does the lock come off the tailgate? I have removed the four screws from the lock mechanism inside 9well two actually - as normal on my car two were missing) There was a screw and washer in the centre that I have also removed but nothing seems to want to come apart - do I need to remove the catch plate bolts? Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Here is a Canley Classics tailgate diagram, you might be able to figure it out from here! http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumph-gt6-mki/ii-tail-gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 It would seem that part 31 and 39 are unwilling to part company. Any thoughts? I will try the old wd on it but if anyone else has an idea..... Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Here's the diagram for a mk3 tailgate, similar but more informative? What does part 34 do? Does it have to come out? It's 619384 on the mk3 diagram. Unfortunately my car is 400 miles away so I can't go take a look! http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumph-gt6-mkiii-back-door-details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Its the lock and handle assembly that will not come away from the latch even though the set screw has been removed. According to the manual the lock and handle should just pull out. I gave it a tap with a hammer from the inside and still no joy. Will leave the wd40 to do its work I think I'd like to know where I can get some of the set screws kx4504 from. Aidan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Aidan. If the usual suspects are not forthcoming then try Namrick; absolutely brilliant and cater very well for classic vehicle owners. http://www.namrick.co.uk/ Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Cheers Richard placed an order with them. Let's hope I can get it apart !! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted February 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Well in answer to my own question the square shaft that goes from the key lock to the catch was covered in our favourite rust! So the question now is clean up or replacement? I didn't think the shaft would just be untreated steel Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Aidan. I would soak the shaft in some rust convertor for a day, then wire wool to clean up and then finally coat it with copper slip or similar; that should see you okay. In fact you have nothing to lose by doing that first IMHO before considering a replacement. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanT Posted February 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Thanks Richard, its currently soaking in penetrating fluid BTW anyone know the dimensions of PN 621373? Unfortunately mine is missing, I assume this fits inside the tailgate keeping the metal on each side from getting squashed together Unfortunately the gasket has disintegrated any thoughts on an alternative Thanks Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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