Anglefire Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 My youngest is looking to learn to drive next year and have been chatting about cars. One option I’ve thought of is something like a herald and wondered what the current thought is regarding the viability of that as well as costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I would speak with the insurance companies first to see exactly what their stance is on premiums; placing you as a named driver will help to lower the cost. Additionally when your son passes a black box or undertaking the "Plus Pass" scheme will also assist in premium reduction. The TSSC insurance panel of companies will be a good starting point and of course you can use a Herald as an example vehicle to get an idea of quotes. Perhaps your own modern vehicle insurance may encompass a multi-policy scheme. Plenty of enquiries to be conducted but certainly the above will give a steer. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 you may find young drivers old under 25 yrs in classics are loaded due to escort and other hot hatch idiots upping the premiums , theres been lots fact and figures elsewhere on here you might might find a small modern is much cheaper , something like a Citroen C1 .fiat 500 and so on ,, dont look at corsa thats another risk adict Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yeah that was what I was thinking too Pete. Just heralds look nice and cheap to buy (or can be) and I guess easy to maintain. And it’s for my daughter Richard. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 sorry your daughters called richard !!! well the suns out !! paste is a bit odd you need to scroll through the post Pete Anglefire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 The other issue is safety. No air bags on a Triumph, no crash protection. Do you really want an inexperienced driver, carrying your genetic code, in a small vulnerable car? I'm with Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordfunker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I’ll third a C1 as a good option, particularly the first generation ones as they are cheap as chips. I’ve had 2 over the years and done over 110k in mine on my daily commute, and they have both been utterly reliable. Add in 8 airbags, ABS & ESP and you have a very safe package that’ll do 55 mpg. Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 the driving school I used had a Herald and it was fine. Mind you that was 1970 . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Anglefire said: And it’s for my daughter Richard. ? Sorry Mark. No getting around the age though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTV8 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 If you are keen on learning in a classic (I learnt in a Herald and it didn’t do me too much harm!) then you’d be best to talk (not use online quotes) to the likes or Peter James and get their position... it is possible but will take some energy. the cheap/cheerful modern route is likely to be the simplest option .... from an insurance perspective the C1/107 is a very good choice.... under 1l engine, lowest insurance group and very plentiful - there are loads of 8/9 year old ones around for fair prices that still look like 2year olds. Lastly they sip fuel and are cheap to service (only need 3plugs!) For regular insurancance try Diamond, they’ll do a first policy of 10months then give the named driver 1year NCB... add yourself as a named driver and watch the premium reduce by a couple of hundred pounds. be careful of insurers who will raise the premium when the learner passes their test (Directline used to be the worst for this) - ask the question when sorting out quotes - you will not find this 8nformation offered voluntarily with online quotes. happy hunting..... you will get bored stupid with giving all your details! ..... Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Bordfunker said: I’ll third a C1 as a good option, particularly the first generation ones as they are cheap as chips. I’ve had 2 over the years and done over 110k in mine on my daily commute, and they have both been utterly reliable. Add in 8 airbags, ABS & ESP and you have a very safe package that’ll do 55 mpg. Karl There are variations over the marques, I think the Peugeot 107 version has rear headrests as standard and little things like that. My daughter loves hers and £40 petrol does her ages. I added a rev counter to help her driving and they're really simple to work on or service. They remind me of the Herald in so many ways - two door, one single dial, great all-round visibility, and so easy to park - you can see where the four corners of the car are. As Andy says, her Insurance went UP after she passed her test, as they reckoned she'd now be driving unaccompanied. Her first policy cost me more than the car cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunW Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I echo the safety concerns. I'd be very concerned if mine was driving a tiny car surrounded by razor sharp tin, with no crash protection and only adequate brakes and poor lighting at best. Insurance likely to be a 'mare too because the repair costs are so high compared to a modern car. Not being sexist either but breakdowns are inevitable and will expose a young lass to all sorts of danger stood waiting on a dark road. An old motor is a quaint romantic notion but practically an unnecessary danger in so many ways. I got my lad an old focus. Nice little car, cheap and easy to tinker with. Then he got himself an A3 which is a brilliant car in almost every dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunW Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, AndyTV8 said: If you are keen on learning in a classic (I learnt in a Herald and it didn’t do me too much harm!) I'll show you my scars sometime, acquired 35 years ago. I can vouch for the fact that a little flimsy tin can can do a heck lot of damage to you. And I was only doing about 30mph at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Both my daughters learnt in a 1971 mini (as in passed tests 4 and 2 years ago) but they used it for their Saturday job (sainsburys) and eventually we all lost heart with the damp start issues (despite keeping a fresh/dry cap and leads in the car ready to fit!) especially as it was invariably wet and late at night. Sold it and use the money to by a pug 107. 3yrs old and only 13K on the clock, seemed a good deal as we only had to add £200! and once you understand they are cheaply built but actually pretty well designed I think they are great little cars. (worth checking age, early cars up to 2010ish ?? had a smaller clutch that is renowned for its short life) Re insurance, it seems obvious insurance increases once they have passed their test. They are suddenly unsupervised and think they are driving gods! About the highest risk group imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTV8 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 It is all doable, I have seen plenty of young men/women get significantly more than a few scars from RTA’s in pretty new vehicles..... however, as i said, the path of least resistance and a lower overall risk is a suitable modern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 It was only a thought - I do agree about the safety side though I do think that in the old days we used to drive more carefully - today drivers are a lot faster as they expect a) not to crash and b ) survive without a scratch if they do . I'll look into the C1 type route though as it probably is a more sensible idea - especially as she may go to Uni away from home. Thanks for all the replies though - if nothing else i have ideas of alternative modern cars. Though preferably it has to be yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordfunker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Plenty of yellow C1s and 107s out there! Karl Anglefire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Which my daughter told me she was glad I avoided..... I liked them in yellow but check with the prospective driver first... (Hers is black) Anglefire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunW Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 hours ago, Anglefire said: It was only a thought - I do agree about the safety side though I do think that in the old days we used to drive more carefully - today drivers are a lot faster as they expect a) not to crash and b ) survive without a scratch if they do . We had to drive more slowly, drum brakes, ify handling, poor tyres and candles for headlights. I'm not sure we ever drove more carefully though, but the metal spike pointing right at your chest and the lethal front end pointing right at pedestrians probably helped to keep you down to a 'sensible' speed I feel sorry for all the youngsters who have to drive around with one of those hateful telemetrics boxes, I'm sure there's plenty of people here who learnt how to handle a car by going a little bit faster than they should when they were young, or heaven forbid, had a bit of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted November 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Actually I think power steering has not helped with speed. You can chuck a modern into bends at much higher speeds these days because you can wind on and off the steering so much quicker and easier. (Particularly into side roads). The whole debate about speed limits and the general reduction of them will run and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 My lad keeps pinching my mg zs180, claims he needs petrol therapy compared to his seat Leon diesel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted November 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 To be honest, my daily is a diesel - 5series BMW - with 250+ bhp so have no real need to a petrol fix (0-60 in less than 6 seconds and onto 150+ where legal!) And there is no chance my kids will be driving it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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