Jump to content

Upgrade to type 14


Gadgetman
 Share

Recommended Posts

As my type 12  vitesse 6 vertical link has snapped I’m replacing both , so the question comes do I replace them with later style type 14 brake vertical  links and if so what else do I need?

my list so far:

heat shields

callipers

pads

disks

wheel bearings

adaptor plate

bolts

 do I need to upgrade the rear cylinders at the same time?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've done it before as part of a rebuild, upgrading Heralds from 12s to 14s, and all I needed in reality was the caliper and pads. Never touched the rears at all.

I know from a rather hazy memory that the Vitesse has different vertical links and caliper attachments, but if you replace the vertical links with Spitfire versions (Herald ones will also do, not sure if they're any different as regards strength but don't think so) you'll find the calipers bolt straight on without adaptors. You don't need to change the wheel bearings unless that's a job you want to do at the time, but you may need slight alterations to the brake pipes and hoses as if they're anything like my early GT6 there are some small differences in position and length.

Make sure your Vitesse hubs will clear the calipers; some are chamfered and some aren't, so check that the outer edge has been machined back to clear the gap; look closely and you'll see a machined edge all round the circumference. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think all Vitesses including 1600 used the bigger stub axle so I suspect that if you get a type 14 vertical link with integral calliper mount intended for Heralds an Spitfire, your stub axle won't fit.

If buying all new parts anyway then you'd do much better to upgrade to 2L spec with bigger discs and type 16 callipers which are a significant improvement.

Nick

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agree wholeheartedly with Nick....the type 14 is a very marginal improvement, only real benefit is the pads and callipers are easier to find.

If you existing setup has the separate calliper brackets, they have real value as they can be used on the bigger 6 cylinder uprights to fit 4 pot callipers with Ford spacing (eg princess 4 pots, or the alloy version of the same)

 

Pete Lewis will hopefully be along, he converted his Vitesse 6 to type 16 callipers, a very good thing to do. And costwise will make little difference over your proposed "buying list" and if doing all that, check the rear wheel cylinders, they will want to be the same bore as the later vitesse

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As Nick has stated the later Herald/Spit vertical link is not a direct swop for the Vitesse type.

Re fitting the 2 Litre 16P calipers, though the uprights are the same on the Vitesse 6 and 2 Litre the caliper mounting plates are different due to the larger 16P calipers mounting hole spacing.

The size of the rear brake shoes on all Vitesse models are the same.

Dave  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes I fitted  type 16s to my Vit6

you  do need as dave says just the  matching caliper mount plate from any 2 ltr,  not easily available 

Then you stand a good chance of stopping   need the 2 ltr disc add some mintex 1144 pads and things change dramatically

Type 16s use a 0.7 master cyl  but a 5/8"  will add some travel but lighten the pedal load 

Pete

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

GT6 are all type 16 (of various guises)

Differences are seals etc. The late metric ones are handy as they use the same pad as capri etc so common and available in a variety of types (like the 1144 as mentioned by Pete) The difference is metric threads on the connections, and the pad pins are smaller diameter. However, the pads can have the pin holes drilled out to fit the imperial type 16's.

Your old calliperbrackets are worth £70-100 depending on how long you wait/how desperate somebody is.....new alloy ones were £125 last time I looked, probably more now. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Gadgetman said:

Pete 

i managed to get these on flea bay for £2.25 earlier today!

says they are GT6 so are they type 14 or 16?

did you replace your rear cylinders to the larger size as well to maintain the balance?

6AC453EC-9DA0-4ED3-8DF4-89FF76C35DB9.jpeg

£2.25??????

They will arrest you for robbery!

GT6 will be type 16. That is what you have, type 12 are a different shape.

The original type 12 adaptors are valuable as well, possibly more so a set they can be used with the lightweight 4-pot alloy calipers that come more readily in the narrower bolt spacing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

there is a sealing ring to keep road  water out the back of the bearings  fits as an o ring between the bracket and the stub carrier

you cant get them anywhere now but a smear of sealer on the mating face where the register is to take the ring will work just as well

not on the mating faces they need to be solid , no squishy sealer on them and  these faces  are best not painted either 

 

Pete

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, thescrapman said:

GT6 will be type 16. That is what you have, type 12 are a different shape.

The original type 12 adaptors are valuable as well, possibly more so a set they can be used with the lightweight 4-pot alloy calipers that come more readily in the narrower bolt spacing.

Oh, I didn't know that. I got some adaptors cheap (but more than £2.25 - that really was remarkably good - or a misprint!) to convert the Atlas to disc brakes some time. Now you've got me wondering what I've got!

Cheers, Richard

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, rlubikey said:

Oh, I didn't know that. I got some adaptors cheap (but more than £2.25 - that really was remarkably good - or a misprint!) to convert the Atlas to disc brakes some time. Now you've got me wondering what I've got!

Cheers, Richard

Nope no misprint... ?

shipping was more than the actual cost!

8B73B9A9-F4F3-4730-927C-9542B8C5D92D.jpeg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Crikey Gadgetman! That really was very good. I thought I was doing well with £23.01 + £7.95 delivery back in 2013.

I've just checked and mine look identical to yours, so type 16 brackets. Just for reference, the type 12/14 ones, do they look more of a square profile?

Cheers, Richard

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...