Clive Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: So we're talking about replacing the original Triumph engine with a modern? (Hits Clive an exasperated slap) It's hardly fair to compare the BHP then, or any other characteristic. I'm sure my Mondeo is more comfortable and certainly quieter than my GT6, and better suited to long journeys. It won't help the OP get more power out of a Vitesse engine, though... Nope. You are confusing the two facts? The engine makes no odds really, it was dead noisy with the twin tailpipe wheelbarrow exhaust. In fact, the car looks and sounds like a fairly normal spitfire. What I am saying is that it is possible to modify a spitfire, or any other Triumph, with thought and experience (usually pilfered or paid for!) and still be reasonably quiet. It is just that most people seem to think a noisy exhaust =power gains. It is just that the ford engine produces power quite cheaply, and it won't break. And I did mention the other spit we own, which is a mk3, with a modified mk3 engine (head, cams, roller rockers, pair of dellortos) and that 1300 produces approx 120bhp, shaming GT6's. Especially in the twisty bits. Again not particularly noisy, except the roller rockers/cam clearances. They are double that of the std cam. As to comfort, that has absolutely nothing to do with the engine swap as the engine is the exact same weight. It is down to spring/shock choice, though I do want a slightly stiffer rear spring, but shocks (koni) are excellent. It is still a spitfire, with spitfire chassis, suspension etc etc, just thought out, and well set up. It is not a mondeo or anything like one. (put a spitfire engine in a mondeo, it will still be a comfortable mondeo. Just rather slow) And all that was just part of the idea that any modifications on any car need to be carefully thought out, so they work together correctly. And need setting up/optimised. THAT will get more power. And better handling if the same principles are applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 12:41, clive said: ST170 (which is a zetec with a few improvements). Absolutely bombproof. Trust me, I have tried😂 And not exactly new, being over 25 years old!! In fact, it is only 12 years newer than the last spitfire engines made. Scary thought that engine design improved that much between those dates, though to be fair the Triumph engine was rather long in the tooth at that point. We sponsor a racing car at work and it had a 2l duratec engine until 2 years ago when they fitted a fiesta engine. 1.2l I think it is. It is forced induction but is producing about 350bhp and there is room for more apparently. Bit different to the power our standard engine make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 350bhp from 1.2L? Puny! The 3 cylinder (!), 995cc Ford EcoBoost engine that is now standard for Formula Ford, that delivers 91 bhp in production form delivers 200bhp, and that is detuned for reliability! People have had 400bhp from it! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 It could be that engine john. I have been told what it is - I’ve got a picture somewhere from the first year it was used in Spa. I’ll did it out in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Here it is. And lives in here : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Anyway, moving on ................................................. If you do decide to use the Novatech RR or another outlet, Ray, it will be good to hear how you get on and what the outcome is. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 With respect Richard, the question was answered on page one. The rest is drift to mostly unobtainable stuff my mere mortals and Ray has already said he will not pursue anything other than a rolling road session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Indeed Mark, you are quite correct, that is why I pitched Novatech on his behalf. I take your point, though - it was more "tongue-in-cheek" really. Regards. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 21:10, classiclife said: This company may be able to assist, no personal knowledge - just did a Google search for RR Berkshire: http://novatech.info/ Worth a call to ascertain their worth............... seem classic car focused. Good luck. Richard. They look interesting,i have been looking for someone to have a go at my 2.5 Vitesse when i fit the 123-Tune. Only 15 minutes from me.(and the original poster) Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Thats a result (The distance at least!) I've no idea where one is locally - google I'm sure would find one, but then you don't know what they are like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Anglefire said: I'm sure would find one, but then you don't know what they are like! Hello Mark, Any recommendations from TSSC members in your local club meet areas ?? Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 I have had moderate success with this in the past, Mark, although not a comprehensive directory. https://www.rollingroadregister.com/ There also appears to be a company in Shirley B90 (Weston Performance) - but cannot seem to get a trace, they may have gone under. Failing that there is RRS in Stourbridge, not sure how geographically convenient that is to you and of course do they do classics albeit they have 3x Ford Escorts in one of their gallery photographs ?? As with Ray, probably worth a call at least. https://www.rrsrollingroadservices.co.uk/ Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Shirley is where I live! Well, that was a bit of a shock - Googled and there was a link to WestonPerformanceCars. Unless you are very broad minded, don't go to the link.................. As often said, NSFW! Drayton Road is about 10minutes walk from home - and I can't see it there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Mmmmmmm, Fair to assume that has gone - I guess Stourbridge for RRS is about what, 30-40min drive ?? Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Yeah it would be about that. I shall wait a bit longer and see how it behaves for a month or two (And its too ruddy cold at the moment!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian GT6. Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Just to show the OP what can be achieved, my GT6 2 litre was producing 85 bhp on the rolling road. But, long story, someone had put a 2.5 cylinder head on it without increasing the CR so it was running a very low CR and had 100,000 miles of wear. Having said that the rolling road guy said most standard 2 litres struggle to break 90 bhp. When Mark from Jigsaw rebuilt it we had to use a different block and head, it had the 25/65 cam which is good for the road. The head was gas flowed and and ported iirc I think went for just under 10:1 compression ratio. I've got a 6 3 1 stainless exhaust manifold and system which looks lovely. It was fully balanced and then rolling road setup with the original strombergs and standard cold air intake. Very pleased with 115 bhp which makes a big difference. Being nicely balanced it feels silky smooth as well. You could do that fairly cheaply although it cost me a fair bit as a kept adding things such as electronic ignition, brand new clutch, new slave and master cylinder etc etc. So I think a couple of thousand, if you did it yourself and had it rolling roaded, would see up from 88-95 bhp to 110-115 bhp which would certainly be noticeable. To go much more would start costing big bucks and would start to loose originality. Mine lloks completely standard just goes better and smoother and has the gt6 howl still. I might be tempted at some stage to go to twin SUs and maybe a more extreme cam as I think you could get to 130 ish with standard internals fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian GT6. Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Just now, brian GT6. said: . But, long story, someone had put a 2.5 cylinder head on it without increasing the CR Actually the long story is that it must have been triumph. I've got the full history file of the car as i am the second owner. The engine was replaced under warranty in the first year by the Triumph dealer, so I can only assume that Triumph just sent them whatever they had spare at the time. Maybe they were short of engines and stuck a 2.5 head on a 2 litre block? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayHutch Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I eventually got through to Novatech - they don’t tune Strombergs :-(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 cant tune a Stromberg !!!!! not much to do apart from get it right, same applies to SU sound like they are best avoided . bring it to twiddle day at HQ Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: cant tune a Stromberg !!!!! Hello Pete, That's not an uncommon response from many garages these days even on some rolling roads, of which I agree the latter is quite odd. I believe that as time goes on, the skills gap between classic and modern knowledge / know-how will only increase. Classic car wizardry on the commercial front is on the wane unless the business is specifically dealing with classic vehicles, hence the importance of keeping such skills alive to keep passing on up for decades to come. Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Im pleased to remain a dinosaurus !!! Richard...dont give them the Daimler !!!! ha pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Pete, The beast is irrelevant - it's the brain that counts !! Regards. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Computer say's No. I wonder if they tune SU's, bearing in mind the close relationship between Strombergs and SU's. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 If the 2 Litre engine had domed pistons then a 2.5 head should have been OK. If it was the earlier flat piston version then NO. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: Im pleased to remain a dinosaurus !!! 2 hours ago, classiclife said: The beast is irrelevant - it's the brain that counts !! Some dinosaurs had two brains, there heads were so far from there tails there had to be another nerve centre nearer the tail. I'm sure there's a joke there, somewhere. db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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