Paul H Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Hi , I know this has been covered many times but cant find the info using search . With Black Friday deals looking to restock on Spin off Oil Filters for my Mk2 Vitesse - From memory Mann was the best manufacturer - Need help with the model ? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I get Crossland for Rover 200 1.6 from Eurocar Parts 2.36 pounds each delivered. Other makes available if you want to pay more.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Flinn Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 From a Google search Unipart - GFE227 or 180 Champion - C114 Halfords - HOF200 Fram - PH2964 Fram filters not liked by some though, google it? Be careful on the length of some of them though, a bit tight for space with the Vitesse Gary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Thanks for info last ? re the length do i need get the Filter as horizontal as possible ? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 no the filter needs to be as vertical as poss with its entry at the top so that the filter sits full of oil when the engine isnt running. On the Vitesse using the size of filter sold by Paddock etc (the ones I get from Eurocar Parts) the best you can get is an angle of about 45º which is certainly an improvement on the original horizontal design.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Thanks - I understand the principle now Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 it does make it a messy business when changing the filter but then it was never actually easy with the original set up either☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I have a Halford’s oil catcher, it doesn’t work very well, overflows, so it sits on a B & Q concrete mixing tray which catches it all. Then you got to clean them up! 😀 Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 plus try to clean the chassis rail, block, sump, valance and, cos Im lazy, without jacking the car off the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 No no, oil all over chassis is Triumph’s patented anti rust system. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dougbgt6 said: I have a Halford’s oil catcher, it doesn’t work very well, overflows, so it sits on a B & Q concrete mixing tray which catches it all. Then you got to clean them up! 😀 Doug 'Er indoors was wondering why I was examining Tesco's Turkey Trays the other day... a large rectangular metal tray for £2? Or the deep oval one for £3? She sees Christmas dinner, I see drip trays... (Having said that, it's not the first time there's been a close similarity between gravy and engine oil....) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Is it worth opening up the old chestnut , spin off filter or original filter , I seem to have collected 5 of the original filters with the Classic Line label Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I think on start up theres an improvement in reducing the system pressurising time (this is also affected by the state of the pump) however what effect that has on bearing wear is debatable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Paul H said: Is it worth opening up the old chestnut , spin off filter or original filter , I seem to have collected 5 of the original filters with the Classic Line label Paul The biggest problem with the old setup was oil draining out which accelerated wear on startup while the filter filled first and then the oil went on into the engine; the intended fitment of an anti-drain modern filter was to make oil circulate almost instantly and thereby prevent bearings running dry. Other than that I don't think there's really any difference in efficiency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 yes but has anybody really found that their bearings failed sooner because of slow oil pressure build up on starting or is it another example of 'cylinder head external oil feed' syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Not personally, so I'm only regurgitating what I've read about so many times!! But: the "Triumph Death Rattle" as it used to be known was a symptom of oil-free bearings on startup and apparently (he quotes others again!!) used to sound quite alarming until the oil circulated. It stands to reason, I suppose, that oiled bearings will last longer than dry ones, so it's a theory, but no source that I've read this evening so far has said just how much more quickly damage occurs. A lot of the books available in more recent years talk about it and how to avoid it, but books of the time never mentioned it - I assume it was just par for the course back then. It has been said that it's fine as long as the engine isn't revved hard before the oil light goes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 “yes but has anybody really found that their bearings failed sooner because of slow oil pressure build up on starting” well yes, my second wife, didn’t notice the light was still on. Cost me a new crank. The light was very small and dim, apparently. 😡 Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 must have been a very, very slow build up of pressure🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Johny, It was, on me.😀 Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlubikey Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 14 hours ago, johny said: yes but has anybody really found that their bearings failed sooner because of slow oil pressure build up on starting or is it another example of 'cylinder head external oil feed' syndrome? Johny, no one's been willing to sacrifice their engine to do this experiment. I can confirm that the "death rattle" was indeed a characteristic of the 1500 engine and my old blue Spit used to make that noise. Then it threw a con rod on the M4 one evening motoring up to Wales - now that really was noisy! Was it because those engines were just thrown together on the production line in the Leyland Group cash-strapped factories? Was it because people didn't service the cars regularly and the oil did way more miles between changes? Was it simply that the Leyland Cost Engineers made the Triumph Engineers cheapen the design too much and longevity suffered? Answers on a postcard please ... These days few of us do enough miles to really "test" the engines and it's been drummed into us that we have to change the oil very regularly and use the best available. (Mobil 1 for me) These days, my PI Spit has faulty seals in the metering unit and it takes a loooong time for the petrol to get through and the engine to fire. This is plenty of time for the oil light to go out. I have one of those Mann double-valve oil filters (which is the devil to fit in on an engine back 6-pot Spit!) and it helps with quick oil pressure the same day, but not if I haven't driven for a couple of days. I've often wondered if we should have an "ignition inhibit" circuit to stop the engine firing while cranking until the oil light goes out. Alternatively, a little oil pump to take oil from the sump (banjo connector on sump plug) and pump via a non-return valve to one of the engine oilway plugs just before the filter. I'm currently a Gentleman of Leisure (pronounced "been made redundant") so you'd think I'd have time to try some of these ideas! Cheers, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 if drain back was such a disaster why have engines lasted all these years , yes many rebuilt and many still as original im in the myth camp bear in mind later engines had a spin on filter ,yes horizontal, and with and without a anti drain flap valve inside the 1500 was untypical and a reliable engine till its long stroke decided to let loose all the reciprocating parts Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, rlubikey said: Johny, no one's been willing to sacrifice their engine to do this experiment. Its not really a case of sacrifice but more 'with a standard filter I had to change my bearings after 30k and now with a spin-on theyve lasted more than 50k'. Admittedly theres other variables but a comment like that would certainly add some weight to the argument..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 It's a bit like unleaded heads; we know the valve seats wear as there's no longer any lead to cushion them, but how quickly? Obviously much more quickly on a car that's being used every day rather than one that sees occasional use, but there's no real hard and fast rule of how many more miles you'll get. Same thing with oily bearings. Maybe a magazine like Practical Classics - if they still feature cars more the ten years old - might want to run an experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 history is the problem no one knows what happened to the lubrication by its previous many owners you buy a car thats 40 year old its got history not always ....Good so the myth takes the blame , as there's no Facts Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Foster Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Paul MANN W713/9 gets my vote. Medium length with double anti-drain thingies. (GT6 Mk2) Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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