Kelv T Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Hi all can anyone recommend a good quality oil filter for a 1966 herald 1200 with the part number. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Unipart GFE150 is a decent filter. Sadly only generic filters are available. Borg and Beck (not THE borg and beck, but made goodness knows where for the company who bought the B+B brand name) or "classic gold" (same factory as the B+B ones??) Otherwise trawling ebay or autojumbles for a quality brand. That is your best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Do any four cylinder Triumph oil filters have a non-return valve to prevent drain back when standing? I'm concerned by the prolonged knocking while oil pressure builds when starting my Spitfire after even a day or two without use. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Nigel Clark said: Do any four cylinder Triumph oil filters have a non-return valve to prevent drain back when standing? I'm concerned by the prolonged knocking while oil pressure builds when starting my Spitfire after even a day or two without use. Nigel For the Spitfire I'd recommend a WIX thread adapter to open up the possibilities of good quality Mann (and other brands) filters with anti-drain valves. Not sure if they are an option on the Herald though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Yes, Herald as Spitfire. Then you can use the Mann 714/2 with double NRV flap. The adapters are hard to come by in the UK though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Nigel Clark said: Do any four cylinder Triumph oil filters have a non-return valve to prevent drain back when standing? I'm concerned by the prolonged knocking while oil pressure builds when starting my Spitfire after even a day or two without use. Nigel They should. But the QA on some of the nasty new filters is suspect. What brand are you using? This makes me think about rummaging in the garage. I may have a couple of 5/8 to 3/4 wix adaptors left from when I imported 20. They enable you to use a wide variety of filters, including a Mann double valved one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv T Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, clive said: They should. But the QA on some of the nasty new filters is suspect. What brand are you using? This makes me think about rummaging in the garage. I may have a couple of 5/8 to 3/4 wix adaptors left from when I imported 20. They enable you to use a wide variety of filters, including a Mann double valved one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, clive said: They should. But the QA on some of the nasty new filters is suspect. What brand are you using? This makes me think about rummaging in the garage. I may have a couple of 5/8 to 3/4 wix adaptors left from when I imported 20. They enable you to use a wide variety of filters, including a Mann double valved one. what the thread on the adapters? Flowfit do a range of adapters https://www.flowfitonline.com/hydraulic-qrcs-and-adaptors/male-x-male?variants=Thread Size|3/4doublequote x 5/8doublequote &price=1,278&price_range=1,278 On the left hand side of the page is a thread size and Thread type selector. Just need to know what the correct threads are Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, mpbarrett said: what the thread on the adapters? Flowfit do a range of adapters https://www.flowfitonline.com/hydraulic-qrcs-and-adaptors/male-x-male?variants=Thread Size|3/4doublequote x 5/8doublequote &price=1,278&price_range=1,278 On the left hand side of the page is a thread size and Thread type selector. Just need to know what the correct threads are Mike 5/8 UNF thread in the block and for the original filters. Ie a male 5/8unf to male 5/8unf is what is fitted. Changing the filter thread to 3/4 unf opens up a massive world of available filters. Ford, VW, MG even some Renault and Maserati apparently (very short filters) and many others. Somewhere is a list of high quality Mann filters fitted with a double valve, I think used on diesel escorts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Thank you for all the replies, most informative, a I've not had a 4 cylinder Triumph since the Eighties! I will get a 5/8"-3/4" adapter and a decent filter. The filter I am using currently is a Powertune GFE150, from a supplier I would normally trust. Nigel PS: I'm used to Triumph sixes with a spin off filter adapter. Oil pressure comes up quickly after starting with those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Nigel, teh adaptors are impossible (maybe) to find over here for m=some inexplicable reason. I imported a batch from Rock Auto in America a while ago. You need to order 10 I think to make it viable. Amazingly each one came in an oil filter box, which would have held 50! But total cost was about £5.50 each IIRC. You can use the same filter as your spin-on conversion then. But Powertune? at best a cheap aftermarket filter, but that is about all that is available, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Thank you Clive. Is the thread for the adapter really unf? Or could it be bsp, much easier to find? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Deffo UNF. Wix 24037 is the part. On uk ebay for about £15. I may, just may, have one or two here, but somebody else is first in the queue. I will have a proper look Tuesday, off to Brands in my Spitfire tomorrow. 3 Triumphs, 36 MG's and 20 Loti apparently. At least it will be a dry day, but about to find my thermals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Thank you again Clive. If you find you have a spare adapter, please let me know. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 01/12/2019 at 08:29, Nigel Clark said: Do any four cylinder Triumph oil filters have a non-return valve to prevent drain back when standing? I'm concerned by the prolonged knocking while oil pressure builds when starting my Spitfire after even a day or two without use. Nigel I've always used the standard GFE 150 on my Herald, bought a lot of them back in the day so have a few on the shelf, and never had any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Thank you Colin. With my Spit Mk3, there's a period of crankshaft rattling before the green oil light goes out after start up. It's probably only 10 seconds but compared to Triumph 6 cylinder engine with a spin off filter conversion, it seems like an age! As the filter is mounted upside down on the 4 cylinder engines, there's bound to be drain back without any non-return valve. Call me an over-sensitive soul, but I can't listen to a crankshaft in distress! Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinR Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Nigel, try cranking the engine without the choke to build up oil pressure and once the light goes out pull the choke out to allow the engine to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hi Kevin, That's good advice, thank you, which I will follow. Having said that, I'd still prefer to deal with the root cause of the problem, and prevent the oil from draining back. Call me fussy if you like... The sound of crank bearings rattling is complete anathema to me! Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 On 01/12/2019 at 20:43, Nigel Clark said: Thank you again Clive. If you find you have a spare adapter, please let me know. Nigel Sorry Nigel, no joy. Been in the garage looking for a few elusive things that would be in a safe place, but none have turned up. If there is demand somebody, even me, could import a batch of 5 or 6 (postage sweet-spot). Price delivered into the UK for the batch is about £6-7 each, but then need posting out. https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/wix,24037,oil+filter,5340 Ordering a single one works out about £11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Nigel Clark said: As the filter is mounted upside down on the 4 cylinder engines, there's bound to be drain back without any non-return valve. These have an anti-drain valve - I managed to find some online: https://www.sportscarsupplies.com/oil-filter-spitfire-1300-1500-dolomite-herald-gfe150-390-p.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 not saying the part number being generic or unique but club shop has always sold GFE150 filters 4cly and GFE173 6 pot Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Thank you all for your replies and helpful advice. I've ordered a Mann 714/2 filter and an adapter. Will let you know how much of a difference they make. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, Nigel Clark said: Thank you all for your replies and helpful advice. I've ordered a Mann 714/2 filter and an adapter. Will let you know how much of a difference they make. Nigel One thing to watch. Put a straight edge over the machined face where the filter seals, and check the threaded part sticks out enough. Some blocks seem to have the filter adaptors sitting a bit low, and that can cause a lack of thread engagement. I know 2 people who have used washers to improve the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, clive said: One thing to watch. Put a straight edge over the machined face where the filter seals, and check the threaded part sticks out enough. Some blocks seem to have the filter adaptors sitting a bit low, and that can cause a lack of thread engagement. I know 2 people who have used washers to improve the situation. My set-up has a half thickness nut to space the adapter from the block - after an unfortunate "incident" (although my situation is complicated slightly by the take-off plate for the cooler being there as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 just dome thoughts .trouble is the anti drain is generally just a rubber flap who ever makes them , the design is not rocket science , some may be better than others but youre relying on a pretty cheap idea , that helps keep the oil in the filter , or not if the filter is full you cant stop the gallery draining down to the sump so not all will be solved , improved maybe pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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