Paul H Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, SpitFire6 said: Hi, What size/thread/hex is the grub screw above the PRV that is pre-filter? Is it possible to remove it without wrecking the block? They seem cheap enough. I would like to fit a pressure transmitter there. Cheers, Iain. I couldn’t find the spec in the WSM and I don’t have the correct Allen key Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitFire6 Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Hi, I couldn't either. I have seen a picture and it looks like aluminium! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6M Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Ian, think its a 3/8th allen, an its generally tight there enough room in thea t,run a switch infact I once ed a oil temp sender in thea, the bigg bulb type Tek the oil pressure switch oot, or the allen bolt an put some oil doon thea, then crank oil wont fly oot, it,ll dribble oot at crank speeds If oils come,n oot , then yer pumps ok another tip, always fill filter up wid oil, on some wid double drain valves, it can tek some time, but can be sped up by hold,n the flap / flaps open then screw on fast, ye wont loss much oil really M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Paul H said: Hi Nick I do have a oil pressure guage , 70 on startup 50 at 50mph 20/25 on tickover . After long run maybe down to 15 on tickover but no lower . Today I pulled the plugs , moved the oil filter carrier to vertical backfilled both holes ( centre and side) with about 500ml , dipstick now rising . No filter fitted . I do have hi torque starter Ran engine , oil started to rise and flow gently over but very slowly no drama which I was hoping for . My deduction low pressure , pick up blocked ? Or oil pump failure ? Paul I think perhaps you've succeeded Paul as I wouldn't expect loads of oil flow at cranking speed. Don't forget the pump is quite small and not very effective at low revs. It's designed to pressurise what is quite a closed system so when you put the filter back on I reckon that's what will happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: with a tube of suitable size will do, even the old Blue Peter washing up liquid bottle Ah, but you can't get those type anymore, can you?. Bit like handy wire coat hangers 😊. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 I found an oil can with a flexi end the best Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, daverclasper said: Ah, but you can't get those type anymore, can you?. Bit like handy wire coat hangers 😊. Not the old white tubular versions, those bring back memories! You can get boring modern clear versions but you'd never make a rocket or a submarine from them. Nor can you cut the bottoms off and use them for paint, or the top half as a filler funnel for petrol, or anything else that's useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 This pic tells the story The method for removing the airlock was Loosen the filter housing 7/8 AF and rotate to vertical , the filter is removed Fill the centre hole , not much will go in . I used a standard oil gun with flexi spout . Now fill the outer ring . Bubbles will appear keep filling till the level stays , could take up to 500ml . Remove the plugs , disconnect coil wire from dynamo , run the engine and as happened with my experience a few air bubbles will show from the outside hole then oil will start to gently overflow . This means your oil pump is ok and ok to fire up. Move the filter case anti clockwise till it rests above the PRV and red tighten Twist on filter , replace the plugs , reconnect coil . Start the engine and my Vitesse reached Pressure within a few seconds . I double checked for oil leaks to find the oil pressure Union had failed , I’ve yet to find what’s wrong so removed the t piece refitting the original pressure switch for the time being. Thanks for all input from all . Appreciated what a forum we have . Paul 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Cooper Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Brilliant news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Great result Paul. You should be out for a run now Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitFire6 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Happy Days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just keep an eye on the filter housing,i lost almost all the oil whilst driving on my new expensive 2.5 engine after disturbing the seal,luckily i spotted the pressure dropping on the gauge and pulled over before disaster happened. Glad yours is back to normal. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Great! Now DON'T do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 pages on a filter change... thats caught up with the drain plug Happy days ahead Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitFire6 Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 The plug that would not come out is the same size as a sump plug? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 adding oil to the centre surely just fill/feeds the gallery its the outer ports that come up from the pump where the problem emanated Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, SpitFire6 said: The plug that would not come out is the same size as a sump plug? Maybe, but what thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Well done Paul, big relief I imagine. I bought 3 of those Manns after the other recent thread as very cheap on Amazon. Good to know the info, if they can/do cause a problem. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Fantastic, 11/10 for perseverance! Would it be worthwhile writing an abridged version of this thread with the essential information to cure the air locking and have it as a sticky thread on the forum, to help any other poor souls who have the same problem in future? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, SpitFire6 said: The plug that would not come out is the same size as a sump plug? Yes 90% certain both the same size and thread looks same Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, daverclasper said: Well done Paul, big relief I imagine. I bought 3 of those Manns after the other recent thread as very cheap on Amazon. Good to know the info, if they can/do cause a problem. Dave It was sheer bad luck Dave, I always use Mann filters and i am sure Paul will use his and not have a problem. The only thing that bothers me is why this happens??? If Paul had not had the filter conversion there would have been no way of back filling the pump. Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Nigel Clark said: Fantastic, 11/10 for perseverance! Would it be worthwhile writing an abridged version of this thread with the essential information to cure the air locking and have it as a sticky thread on the forum, to help any other poor souls who have the same problem in future? Nigel I think we need pinned items when “nominated” and more than happy to write an abridged version if required . Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 add to the tips and tricks topic ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 At last, well done Paul! Still no explanation of why it happened this time and if it's connected to the filter so now I'm going to worry everytime I do an oil change😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, johny said: At last, well done Paul! Still no explanation of why it happened this time and if it's connected to the filter so now I'm going to worry everytime I do an oil change😬 My gut feeling is that the Mann filter played a part as that’s the only thing that was new . For any future oil changes I’m thinking of modifying a filter cutting a hole in the top , removing the innards so it will act as a funnel to backfill like I did for this exercise without the need to move the filter housing With the ability to backfill I would use the Mann filter again Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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