JohnD Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 A recent thread on "Cylinder head gasket" has extended to three pages, on several aspects. How about one on manifold gaskets? The new one, from a reputable source (OK, Rimmers ) is a lousy fit! Has their gasket cutting jig got out of shape? My studs are not bent, so why are the holes out of place? Then, the cut-outs for the exhaust ports were too small, which may be as a result of porting work, so I can't blame Rimmers for that, but they were out of place too! After some work with a chisel and gouge (for the curved corners) and my die grinder (a better tool than a file, as it doesn't bend the edges of the gasket out of its plane) I have one that fits the studs and won't impede flow, but should I need to do that? Anyone else had problems with ill-fitting manifold gaskets? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 The last one I fitted was not a great fit but not as bad as your experience sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Yes ive had mk1/1600 manifold gaskets with stud holes all over the place which mis positioned the ports thats a few years back now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Have recently fitted one to my Mk1 Vitesse. As far as I know engine standard. Holes lined up, though some exhaust apertures were at least 1mm too small. Just needed to get car back running, so left it as it was ( I only potter so not a big deal ?). On the whole I haven't had expensive (though has taken a fair bit of my time to sort ) issues yet with modern parts. It can be frustrating at times , though generally, I'm just glad that as our cars are popular and still catered for. I still think it's worth notifying/complaining at times , as it could be something simplistic to rectify?, as well as demanding to other folk who are out to rip you off I would rather pay more , for a manifold gasket, that I knew was good, though for other parts that have been ok and cheap, I feel chuffed. Then as well, pissed off when a £2 trunnion upper seal starts failing after 2 years (would rather pay more more in the first place to save having to strip hub down). Ownership of my Vit, has been cheap, (though time consuming on occasion), regarding parts so far for me so far. I feel more glass half full than empty. Cheers, Dave Edited October 30, 2020 by daverclasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Payen JA510 are the best for later Triumph sixes, though can be hard to find now. Chris Witor offers an alternative which so far works okay on my 2.5 litre GT6. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMi Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 If it doesn't fit don,t fix it send it back and complain or we will keep being sold rubbish parts. Any part sold must be fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Nigel, Never knew Payen did one! Is the Payen item in the same, or similar material to their head gaskets? With a thermosetting glue on each side? What I got as a manifold gasket (and have never seen otherwise) is a thin perforated metal sheet, with a layer of some black composition on each side. The compo doesn't look or feel like the Payen head gasket covering. All the Payen JA510s online look like that, except for this offering: http://www.heritagegasketsltd.co.uk/products/4588089187/triumph-2.0-2.5-payen-ref-no-ja510/9369036 which is silvery, with a metal reinforcement around each port. I like that! (No one answering Heritage's phone this am) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, JohnD said: Is the Payen item in the same, or similar material to their head gaskets? With a thermosetting glue on each side? You don’t want fixative on your manifold gasket, it moves! Mr Lewis told me that. 😊 Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 "Fixative" Doug? Photographic or hairdo? And whatever Payen use on their head gaskets, I've never seen any evidence of creep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hairdo, obviously John.😊 I’ve only had one haircut this year, I need the spray. db 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 it used to be call panting , the detonation makes all the bolt on bits fret a bit you wont see it but its there Mr Pete Ha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, dougbgt6 said: Hairdo, obviously John.😊 I’ve only had one haircut this year, I need the spray. db I need the hair Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 me too Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: me too Pete I have been told to wear a rabbit on my head.... Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 I've just washed my hair and can't do a thing with it, or as the rabbit said: I've just washed my thing and can't do a hare with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky_Spit Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 The 4 cylinder manifold gasket that comes in a full engine set from Canleys has the same problem and needs a fair bit of remodelling around the stud holes with a Dremel to make it fit. The inlet and exhaust port apertures are not that bad though and can be used as is unless you are pedantic about exact alignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, JohnD said: Nigel, Never knew Payen did one! Is the Payen item in the same, or similar material to their head gaskets? With a thermosetting glue on each side? What I got as a manifold gasket (and have never seen otherwise) is a thin perforated metal sheet, with a layer of some black composition on each side. The compo doesn't look or feel like the Payen head gasket covering. All the Payen JA510s online look like that, except for this offering: http://www.heritagegasketsltd.co.uk/products/4588089187/triumph-2.0-2.5-payen-ref-no-ja510/9369036 which is silvery, with a metal reinforcement around each port. I like that! (No one answering Heritage's phone this am) John, Payen manifold gaskets have dimpled foil both sides, not aware of any coating like on their head gaskets. Heritage list JA510 on their website but web ordering doesn't work and when I tried calling a few months ago no reply and no response to voicemail either. Search for JA510 on the TRR forum and there's more info. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 What's this then? https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/intake-manifold-gasket/payen/ja510/ Or this? https://spareto.com/products/payen-gasket-intake-exhaust-manifold/ja510 A passing off offence if a true Payen is as you decsribe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 I bought a payen manifold gasket which looked like that in the picture, but came silver with dimples as Nigel says. Just bad photography I suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 9 hours ago, JohnD said: What's this then? https://www.mister-auto.co.uk/intake-manifold-gasket/payen/ja510/ Or this? https://spareto.com/products/payen-gasket-intake-exhaust-manifold/ja510 A passing off offence if a true Payen is as you decsribe! Generic photo perhaps? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 hours ago, JohnD said: What's this then? Upside down. As Nigel says, a generic image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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