dave49 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 hi all.ive been hearing about the new petrol coming in and how it wont be suitable for classic cars causing possible damage to fuel pipes and engine. does anyone have any views on this like will there be additives available or will it be costly alterations.ive got a 69 13/60 herald.thanks all dave 49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 Don't fret. Get some genuine ethanol resistant hoses from a propers source (NOT from AFS on ebay or indeed any other ebay seller) The club shop, demon tweaks, Moss etc ll sell suitable stuff. In fact that really ought to have been done, if in doubt act now. Then the only thing you might need is a slight adjustment to the carb mixture and possibly timing. We are lucky that we can adjust this stuff, the problem is if you can't. Meanwhile, premium fuels are staying e5 (but you still need R9+ hoses) so that is the simple solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 The Club Shop sells Gates Barricade hose and that’s the one to upgrade to Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 ethanol of varying amounts has been aound for a good time , 97+ has less and often no ethanol and like the myths of unleaded and the milenium clock we dont have any carbs or engines disolving the main problem is the sale of low grade nasty fuel hose , +1 for gates barricade form club shop and many others yoour 13/60 would be deisgned to run on 100+ 5* fuel never 95 2* thats for side vavles and motor mowers of the day yes modern fuels have changed a bit , but head have so much lead memory unless you cut the valve seats they will run for many many 1000 of miles without myth or mishap use a higher grade fuel and reduce the ethanol content if you find any actual mechanical failures you will probable find addatives to part with your money cause more than they solve its fact cars dont disapear into the clouds overnight due to fueling myths Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave49 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 thanks guys.ill look at the shop for the hose you are on about.is it just the rubber parts i need to replace or everything.cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pete Lewis said: yoour 13/60 would be deisgned to run on 100+ 5* fuel never 95 2* My copy of the owners handbook says : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave49 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 thank you.not had the herald long so not sure about it.cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 just keep an eye on your fuel hoses for degrading dont rush to change everything get to know your car before doing too much removals . and you may read on here about rubber slivers these little sods get shaved off the hose when inserting the metal pipes and can jam up the carb float needle valve devious little sods if you do change hoses dont forget there is short one in the boot on top of the tank outlet/reserve lever often ignored and can go loose then you suck air not petrol . Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave49 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 thanks for the info mate.very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 The Information about the use of good quality Resitant hose is necessary. I have had some issues already with E5 fuel, but that is confined to equipment which is infrequently used. The Maker/Supliers advice was to ensure the use of "fresh" fuel. And not to store the device with old/stale fuel in the tank. So far that advice has proved sound and I have had few issues since adopting the advice. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave49 Posted June 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 thanks pete.interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 stale fuel does cause concerns ive helped a GT6 off the road for 30 years and the carb needles had to be levered out of the jets truely awful on the other hand this month went to a Spitfire mk2 off road for 3+ years and it started on the button there a lot of variation in old fuel experiences the answer is USE IT Ha Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 I agree with Pete, using it would be the best option, lack of use was why my Beemer (bike) got sold on. My issues have as yet only been confined to "kit" that has got infrequent use in recent times. (Generator, Chain saw, and a Petrol Strimmer), If in doubt the fuel gets (not the Fuel/Oil mix) drained and bunged in the "modern", which then gets topped up. So far no (more) issues. I think I posted elsewhere, but I was told that the Ethanol is only added as the tanker is being filled, to avoid possible deterioration of the fuel in the refinery storage tanks.? I do wonder though just how long we will be able to get 97+RON fuel without E10?. Are "additives" the answer?. Are there any?. Should we be doing the research Now? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 yes I think we have to distinguish between fuel residue and stale fuel. The first is the result of extreme fuel concentration due to evaporation and can cause real problems while the second is a supposed deterioration of a large quantity of fuel sitting in its liquid state typically in the fuel tank. I havent experienced this last issue and am sceptical that I will bearing in mind the origins and very basic nature of my engine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 Run my Vitesse year round on super unleaded and keep a spare can in the boot, also use the petrol in the can for my thirty year old lawn mower, never had a problem starting it after winter layup. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 think is all down to the same experiences that must haves make it faster Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 At the end of the season I just leave what is in the tank, I do try and start the car and go for a run when possible over winter, and no problems, mind you I do use SP98 which is only 5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 Posting this question on this thread as it appears to be vaguely appropriate. If E10 fuel is less efficient than E5 then will all the on-board trip computers that show how far you can expect to travel between fill-ups and how far you still have available to travel on the available fuel, efficiency etc., have to be reset for E10... and if so, will that be a standard feature of the next service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 If the trip computer on my modern was accurate enough to need re-calibrating for fuel I'd be shocked. Besides, I think it bases the remaining mileage on the economy figures it's calculated so far, so it's self-calibrating in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 I would think the system simply compares amount of fuel used for distance covered, so if you use more E10 per mile it is no problem for the system. Just as in the same way if your right foot is a bit heavier than usual it comes. I have read that consumption increases a little, a couple of % l think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 all our cars were designed to run on 100ron fuel so if you all use 97+ it remains at 5% and you get close to factory timing settings and close to design performance E10 will absorb more water this can separate if left in storage and the water sinks below the remaining fuel depending on where your tank suction pipe is you may have troubles so dont use 95 mower fuel in your triumph and things will look brighter and you will sleep at night till they add more E to the higher grade fuel Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 But....what about the damage to my lawn mower??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Badwolf said: But....what about the damage to my lawn mower??? It is rust worm that is getting at mine, it runs fine on either E5 or E10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 21:37, Badwolf said: But....what about the damage to my lawn mower??? Mine (elderly sidevalve Honda) ran on E85 for two seasons using up the results of a mis-fuel. It was a bit of a bugger to start from cold (sniff of carb cleaner saved my arm) but other than that, you couldn’t really tell. It did chew through it quicker than standard petrol. Long term effects? Well, we are probably 12 years on from that now, but apart from a new plug and a couple of oil changes it just clatters and smokes as it always has…. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 21:37, Badwolf said: But....what about the damage to my lawn mower??? My elderly mountfield four stroke funs fine on super unleaded, couldn't see the point in having two cans of different petrol. I like to keep a spare can in the Vitesse. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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