Chris A Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 12:36, Colin Lindsay said: However: how many of us even in everyday cars drain the tank right to the bottom? How long is it going to take a modern that never goes below 1/4 full to accumulate quite a pool of water in the bottom of the tank, where the fuel pickup will start to suck it up? To save BW's blushes I'll get us off the subject of his wardrobe contents and back to the question of petrol tank contents. As I understand it from this thread E10 is more prone to water deposits than E5, so how had is the E85 that is getting more and more popular here? Logically after a few years the tanks of these cars are going to need draining. Maybe it is even in the service schedule now along with replacing timing belts etc. I must ask a friend of mine who uses it in his 3 series BMW convertible that has been reconfigured to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 If E85 is getting more popular in Chris' neck of the woods then there is a possibility that in due course, due to oil import problems, it may start to be produced over here. Now, does that mean that we will need to replace all the rubber fuel hoses again or will the current Gates hose be able to handle it. Indeed, can our engines handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 What is the best fuel for my car? A guide to different ... E85 is an unleaded petrol that’s a blend of 15% regular unleaded and up to 85% ethanol. Despite being introduced around a decade ago, E85 is no longer commercially available in the UK although it remains widely available on forecourts across Europe, often called bioethanol E-85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: Despite being introduced around a decade ago, E85 is no longer commercially available in the UK ... probably because it didn't bring in enough tax revenue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: ... probably because it didn't bring in enough tax revenue.... SSHHHH! Keep it quiet. They'll catch on when enough people use it and the tax revenue from petrol plummets. Currently E85 is 0.90€ per litre when the proper stuff is at 2.00€ locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 E85 has 15% petrol in it to help cold starting. Most of it here is made from sugar beet I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just been to fill up the Ford, £1.60 a litre for E10. Ouch! No sign of E5. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: Just been to fill up the Ford, £1.60 a litre for E10. Ouch! Now I know why people complain of water in their petrol tank - crying into the tank as they fill up. Prime minister here announced yesterday that from the 1st April for 4 months there will be a "remise" when you pay. The petrol station will show their standard price and when you pay there will be 15 centimes per litre off the price. So, say 2€ per litre, buy 10 litres. Till will register 20€ then a "remise" of 10 x 0.15€, 1€50 bringing the bill to a much more affordable 18€50 . . Seems a complicated way of doing it, but for them maybe easier than changing the various taxes on the fuel. I have noted the claimed start date. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 A bit like Tesco used to do when you spent £50 or more on groceries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: A bit like Tesco used to do when you spent £50 or more on groceries... I prefer the "buy 2 get 1 free" type of offer . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 These days some offers are more appropriate to your fuel tank, or your engine... "when it's gone, it's gone...." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: These days some offers are more appropriate to your fuel tank, or your engine... "when it's gone, it's gone...." Or the money in my wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 12/03/2022 at 17:26, Chris A said: Currently E85 is 0.90€ per litre when the proper stuff is at 2.00€ locally. I'm Intrigued?, do folk buy the expensive stuff and if so, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 If you Google it online, There are mixed reviews about E85, not disimilar to the E10 "debate", Upside it burns cleaner and being Ethanol it has a cleansing effect on (some) components. Down side it is not that good for OLDER engines, those not specifically designed with Ethanol operation in mind. Deteriorating rubber is a recurring theme. It`s also "alleged" that a 15% drop in fuel consumption can be expected, (LPG use expects a 10% reduction). The why? as to the buying of more expensive fuels is likely to be related to the above and "humankind" being what it is, it`s hard to promote change, even when there is a financial incentive. On a personal note. I run a little 2006 Peugeot 107. I found that putting E10 in it, it definitely ran less well than a fill of E5 (Super). But I don`t regard that as anything more than subjective. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 my |C4 is ok and labeled up to use both but its quicker and +4 mpg on 97 E5 so its worth the few pence extra in fact the price gap between e5 and e10 seems to have closed up a bit Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, daverclasper said: I'm Intrigued?, do folk buy the expensive stuff and if so, why? Because their cars aren't designed and/or set up to run on it. My last petrol car would run on E10 but wasn't designed for E85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, PeteH said: It`s also "alleged" that a 15% drop in fuel consumption can be expected My friend who has had his series 3 BMW reprogrammed and before that had 2 Renault Meganes says he hasn't noticed and extra consumption, and at half the price he would still be on to a winner. On the other hand his wife's Zsara does consume about 10% more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris A said: do folk buy the expensive stuff and if so, why? in the 2000 and the when i had the Vit6 I wouldnt use anything other than 97 ron as thats nearest now to what they were designed to run on with std factory settings i still say in the day 93-95 was for side valves and motor mowers you have to retard the timing loose performance and add heat why would you do that Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: in the 2000 and the when i had the Vit6 I wouldnt use anything other than 97 ron as thats nearest now to what they were designed to run on with std factory settings i still say in the day 93-95 was for side valves and motor mowers you have to retard the timing loose performance and add heat why would you do that Pete Aye, but back then we could still get hands on a gallon or two of Avgas, which acted as octane booster. You gave the bloke on the airfield 1/6d for a gallon in a Castrol tin!!. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Truman Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Used to do the same re avgas/mix on the daughters Dolly Sprint in the early 90's, a friend filled his 2500PI up with avgas the injector metering unit leaked it all on the floor overnight, appears the rebuilt metering unit seals were not suitable for avgas, he was a tight ar*e and still complains about us recommending avgas to him to this day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Banana Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 My GT6 does not perform well with my wide shoed UK size 13, lots of uncontrolled events happen like braking and accelerating at the same time and poor fuel ecomony resulting from a heavy right foot. Perhaps the original target audiance for the car happened to be smaller trendy people wearing winkle pickers. I now have to wear plimsols to avoid pedal collision, they fit like a glove and you can feel everything best £10 I spent in a long while. Regarding the fuel and water and ethonol content, when I used to fly with unleaded there was a big concern about the amount of enthonol in fuel and that Esso / Shell / BP were not selling you a pup for the extra cost. The CAA didnt want more than 5% ethonol. So the fuel testing was a home grown tester of a small bottle with 10% mark which you poured water upto. Then the second mark at 100% you pour you E5 upto it. If Ethonol existed it is absorbed into the water and the fuel seperates (water is heavier and stays at the bottom). So if ethonol is present the water/ethonol rises much above the 10% line it time to find another fuel company (never use morrisions when flying) we used to constantly write to Esso/Shell/BP about which garages have strict fuel control. Now even Tesco publish 99octane garages. Recently I seen Youtube's of people extracting all the ethonol out of the fuel using this water separation method, the ethonol is syphoned off and little fuel is wasted. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted August 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 My feet are size 8.5" but unfortunately wide so I have to buy Barker's wide fitting shoes which are reassuringly expensive. These are my favourites but sadly I can't wear them in the GT6 for the same reason as you. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 I have an old pair of semi-smart semi-soft shoes that are noticably less wide than the usual ones. I keep them for driving Triumphs for exactly that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, NonMember said: I have an old pair of semi-smart semi-soft shoes that are noticably less wide than the usual ones. I keep them for driving Triumphs for exactly that reason. Same here, except for mine aren't up to being called 'semi-smart' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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