daverclasper Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 Seem to remember the dimensions are on the Buckeye site to make a tool. I used a punch and hammer to undo. Undid the Filter and Pressure Relief Valve plugs. Were a bit tight (or at least one of them) as I remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2022 Solenoid is off. Ground down spanner method. Connected it straight to battery. Silence. Doesn’t rattle when shaken either. Given the o/d works from cold It must be sticking/seals/dirt vs electrical failure. I’ll strip, clean, replace seals. Quite a bit of oil dribbling out without the solenoid in place. Better buy some more to top-up. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 21, 2022 Report Share Posted May 21, 2022 good not rattling thats the problem maracus rules apply Ha!! might take a good tap on the bench to get the piston out Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjit Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: might take a good tap on the bench to get the piston out In my experience "a good tap" is a bit of an understatement! With every one I've resealed a tap would get the piston to the end of the cylinder but getting the old, hard O ring to let it pop out farther required 'a little more effort' and 'a lot more swearing'. It WILL come out in the end though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 Got it apart after a bit of ‘robust’ tapping onto wooden bench. My rebuild kit (Paddicks) has the 2 outer seals but is lacking the three small piston seals (pictured). Anyone know where to get them please? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 Don’t bother @Mathew They have also ignored my email about the crap solenoid spanner. Won’t use them again. Stick to my tried and trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 I’ve pinged a note to David T at overdrive spares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 3 hours ago, AlanT said: Don’t bother @Mathew They have also ignored my email about the crap solenoid spanner. Won’t use them again. Stick to my tried and trusted. If you bought the OD seal kit, it would indeed have the seals for fitting the solenoid to the OD, but not to rebuild the solenoid. I believe kits ARE available for that, although I don't think they include the spring (from memory) Give Paddocks a call, they really are rather good at customer service when I had a (minor) issue with an order, resolved instantly and correct part sent by next day delivery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 there is also overdrive repairs worth a call Buy Spares | Jaguar Gearbox Repairs | Overdrive Repairs (overdrive-repairs.co.uk) and chris witor shows J type solenoid piston O rings Chris Witor Triumph Specialist Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Truman Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 I got all the o seals plus filters valves etc from OD Repair Services very helpfull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 Hi, It might have already been suggested but try disconnecting the electrical side of things to see if the issue stops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjit Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 The solenoid seals are just O rings and the sizes are on one of the Triumph sites, so I just bought some on eBay (making sure they were at least listed as oil resistant). Just checked buying history and looks like you want some BS007, some BS010 and some BS014 Nitrile O rings. That's the 'full set' but shoudn't take too much research to work out which ones you have/which you are missing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 whilst there is little trade profit in 0 rings its a very common Jtype wear and tear problem and many of the sites we all use and support only want to sell you a complete solenoid says it all ££££ss not PPpppps Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 Dont forget some buyers (especially restoration workshops?) WANT to spend pounds and replace complete items so avoiding the man hours and possible complications of overhauling stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Mjit said: The solenoid seals are just O rings and the sizes are on one of the Triumph sites, so I just bought some on eBay (making sure they were at least listed as oil resistant). Just checked buying history and looks like you want some BS007, some BS010 and some BS014 Nitrile O rings. That's the 'full set' but shoudn't take too much research to work out which ones you have/which you are missing. Hi @Mjit All of £10 from Bearing Boys. Thanks so much. I got the calipers out to check sizes to be sure. Fingers crossed! Massive saving over a new solenoid (does the ‘maracas’ fine now the stuck piston is out/works when on battery @Pete Lewis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 aha the maracus rules are the new standard in myth busting Ha ! i dont get why this obvious frequently occurring problem is so hidden pleased the shake rattle and roll test worked pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.hydes Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 18/05/2022 at 19:39, daverclasper said: Seem to remember the dimensions are on the Buckeye site to make a tool. I used a punch and hammer to undo. Undid the Filter and Pressure Relief Valve plugs. Were a bit tight (or at least one of them) as I remember Thanks for all the replies on the tool required to remove the filter plate and two others behind the overdrive sump plate. My concern with using the "punch, and other improvised pliers" etc, is that on replacing the cover plates you can`t tighten to the correct torques as specified in the WSM? Also these cover plates haven't seen the light of day for 23 years so suggest the maybe quite tight? Guess this is why I would be making something similar to the L354L tool with a nut for the torque wrench. Regards, Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 @Mathewthe seals come in packs of 10. So I should have lots of free spares. DM me if you’d like me to pop a couple of sets in the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Mjit said: Just checked buying history and looks like you want some BS007, some BS010 and some BS014 Nitrile O rings. That's the 'full set' but shoudn't take too much research to work out which ones you have/which you are missing. My memory isn't great, though I thought it was 2 larger for the OD body and 2 smaller for the piston?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 for outer (same size), three for piston (two same as each other, 1 bigger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 Ah, thanks. I meant to say solonoid body, not OD body in my last post (in case it confuses anyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjit Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 16 hours ago, daverclasper said: My memory isn't great, though I thought it was 2 larger for the OD body and 2 smaller for the piston?. Neither is my memory - what I listed is what my eBay buying history told me I bought, not necessarily what I actually ended up using. It's quite possible one of those three little zip bags is sat completely unused in the garage O 21 hours ago, AlanT said: All of £10 from Bearing Boys. Thanks so much. I got the calipers out to check sizes to be sure. £10 seems steep to me...and checking mine were £5.87 inc. postage for 10 of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanT Posted May 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 New seals are in and I’ve tested it off the car. Rattles when shaken, clicks when connected, piston moves a couple of mm when connected. Better get it back on the car then! Saturday’s activity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjit Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 Just don't forget the washer that goes between the solenoid and overdrive casting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Mjit said: Just don't forget the washer that goes between the solenoid and overdrive casting... Otherwise it will leak oil, without a dowt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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