[Hello from Herts!]

On 06/03/2020 at 15:21, Qu1ckn1ck said:

Hi and welcome.  I am also from Herts but at the top end !

Nick         

Awesome maybe I'll see your lovely gt6 at a meet! V cool car BTW, great colour (assuming the light blue one in your profile pic is yours!) 

[Hello from Herts!]

On 06/03/2020 at 17:07, Pete Lewis said:

Herts and Beds meet at the Raven  Hexton (Nr hitchin) always  the fourth monday evening  around 8pm 

you dont need to be in a triumph to join in for a noggin and natter 

Pete

 

2020 Meeting Dates Bus card 1219.pdf

Ah brilliant thanks, that isn't too far from me, the herald might even make it! Will endeavour to come down once it is running, probably for April, cheers! 

[Hello from Herts!]

15 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said:

I was following the other thread, keep us updated on one or the other - especially when it hits the road. 

Thanks Colin I'll keep them updated!

[Hello from Herts!]

Hi thought I'd say hi officially, didn't spot this area before today. Been using the forum for a couple of weeks, so much useful info and so many helpful people so thank you (and thanks for your patience with my torrent of silly questions!!!). 

Previously had a Spitfire 1500 for not very long last year, now I have a Herald 13 60 that I'm learning to work on and convert into a bit of a track car just for fun. Getting close to actually being on the road, a Spit 1300 engine goes into it at end of March with the help of a couple of friends.

Keen to then do some sprints, maybe a track day or two in the Spring/Summer so looking forward to hearing what events happen in the Triumph world. 

Thanks!

 

[Courier leaf spring wanted!]

Keen to fit a Triumph Courier leaf spring to my Herald, if anyone has one in any condition then do let me know, I'd pay cash. Thank you! Jim

[Camber compensator for Triumph Herald 13 60]

4 hours ago, Pete Lewis said:

before  courier i went through a decamber moss spring  a real saggy thing  off a pram , tried a swinger but again with a boot full and passengers always bottomed the shockers so no ride and ever going lower , used short shock and just went lower ended up with 10deg neg camber and ride quality of a skate board..  i guess a std spring with a block would have sufficed, but the stiff courier holds the wheels like on rails 

I'm looking to get it nice and stiff so i can trundle around the odd track without worrying too much about tucking the rears, so the courier solution still seems like a good one. Thanks!

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18 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said:

sold her to get the 2000 mk2 saloon     sad day   she was a flying 1600   not many cactus/black around now 

and an exhaust on song to die for . now more pipe ans slippers motoring  Ha !

Haha, better for calmly cruising I guess!? I particularly like the 2500 estate, fun looking thing. You regret selling the Vitesse?

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1 hour ago, Pete Lewis said:

link to someones pic of my Vit6 on one of Bills   courier  springs  and 1" block 

 

It looks like a decent height, usable. 

Incredible looking car btw, so clean.

[Camber compensator for Triumph Herald 13 60]

12 hours ago, clive said:

I have decided trying to spec a spring is very very difficult.

But the easiest way is to start with the spring strength you want, then fit and use. Work out how much it "compresses" and the load. Then you can decide how much flatter the spring would need to be. Then get it reset by a good company, or use a lowering block.

 

My car used the courier spring with a 1" block, but it didn't settle until I collected about 150-200kg of tiles  and encountered some speed humps. That dropped it about an inch permanently. Still not low. But maintained ground clearance at a sensible level. 

Just some ramblings....

 

HA nice technique for getting more lowness! I've not worked with leaf springs before, it seems like it's basically luck of the draw as to how low they end up...

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On 04/03/2020 at 19:09, Steve P said:

I have an unfitted Courier spring in my lockup if you want me to measure it,i bought it years ago for my Vitesse,after fitting it sat Waaay too high,even with a lowering block and the camber was awful(positive)

I re-fitted my old Triumphtune item from the 80`s which is lower and gives negative camber.I run 6 inch Revolutions on mine.

Steve

Thanks Steve interesting that it had positive camber, possibly due to it being less laden maybe? (the spec shared by Clive indicates negative camber of 1.75 when fully laden)?

I'm going to get owen springs to spec it and I've asked them to see if they can decamber it to drop it 2 inches. Will let you know how I get on! Thanks for the offer. 

Would you consider selling the courier spring if I don't have any luck? I could flip a couple of the springs over potentially, flatten it out a bit. 

Cheers very much! Jim 

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On 04/03/2020 at 17:33, clive said:

The courier spring was very much flatter than a normal herald one.

 

Bill at rarebits (sadly no longer trading) had some made, and is where I got mine from (12 years ago, maybe more) so the specs are out there. Somebody may still have one they can measure?

@clive thank you these are so helpful, have sent on to Owen springs to help them spec it up. Cheers 

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@clive Talked to Owen Springs, they were really helpful. They couldn't find a design for a Triumph Courier spring but they're looking into whether they can do a Herald spring (they have the specs for those) to the higher Courier strength of 550lbs/in and slightly decamber it. Will update once I hear back!

Cheers again, Jim

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17 hours ago, clive said:

Owen springs will make it lowered/decambered if u=you wish, and would even add extra leaves etc depending on how stiff you want it. But the courier spring is pretty strong as std. And decambered would mean it would be a bit longer too, you really want negative camber.  (you could use the longer spit driveshafts, but may run into arch clearance issues)

I would suggest you choose wheels/tyres with care. Avoid anything with too low a profile like the plague! (60 absolute minimum at the rear, 65 better, 70 very good...) Wheel offset will be pretty critical too.

Thanks Clive, so if it was decambered (so flatter?) then that would mean more negative camber yes?

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16 hours ago, clive said:

Owen springs will make it lowered/decambered if u=you wish, and would even add extra leaves etc depending on how stiff you want it. But the courier spring is pretty strong as std. And decambered would mean it would be a bit longer too, you really want negative camber.  (you could use the longer spit driveshafts, but may run into arch clearance issues)

I would suggest you choose wheels/tyres with care. Avoid anything with too low a profile like the plague! (60 absolute minimum at the rear, 65 better, 70 very good...) Wheel offset will be pretty critical too.

Thanks Clive, so if it was decambered (so flatter?) then that would mean more negative camber yes?

[Camber compensator for Triumph Herald 13 60]

Interesting, hadn't heard of the courier spring solution. Canley seem to sell them new (although only to order), will check with Owen Springs first though, thanks for the tip! Thanks Clive, thanks Paul

 

[Camber compensator for Triumph Herald 13 60]

The plan is to track the car occasionally and to do sprints initially, so I want to get the rear suspension in good shape.

So far I have Gaz dampers on the rear plus a 1 inch lowering block, it isn't too low at the moment (could be lower) but needs a bit of time to settle as it's still being built. Looks to be 0 degrees negative camber at the moment on rear.

Front has gaz adjustable coilovers with a couple of degrees of negative camber.

Keen to be able to drive it hard at these sort of events without worrying about spinning (or worse) when I inevitably run out of talent. 

I read on a different forum that a camber compensator was better for the rear than a swing spring conversion as there is less roll with a compensator. Understand it sucks for clearance but I don't mind about that. 

Do others agree? Camber compensator better for track? I can't find anyone selling them, which maybe means they're not actually as good as I have read!!

Been posting a lot on the forum but you're all so helpful, learning a lot so thank you.

 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

8 hours ago, thescrapman said:

Dizzy implies Mk3 or Mk4 Spitfire.

breather pipe on rockers says Mk4.

So engine number should be FH

Cheers will confirm!! 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

10 hours ago, yorkshire_spam said:

Some good data on head comparison here: 

http://auskellian.com/paul/links_files/performance_enhancements.htm#Port_and_Polish_and_Flow_the_Head

Cheers,
Sam

 

Great thanks, useful 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

59 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said:

and when you find the number here is a list of model prefix 

https://www.canleyclassics.com/technical-archive/engine-number-identification-chart

Pete

 

1 hour ago, johny said:

yes you were looking at casting numbers and its a common mistake. They appear on the different large cast components of our cars but the hand stamped unique numbers found on engine, gearbox, differential etc are the ones needed to really identify exactly what youve got. However note that even then over 50+ years the internals of those components may have been fiddled with so not correspond with the original spec🤔

For example your engine should have been built orginally with a certain cylinder head which can be verified now by its casting number. However, even if the engine still has the original type head, it may have been modified by a previous owner so working out what youve got can be a bit of a minefield!

Hmm good point. The gearbox and diff are original Herald ones, going to see how they hold up. 

Th seller did mention the head was different so I should check that. 

Is there a preferable head for the 1300 out O the various options? 

Thanks for the help Johny! 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

58 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said:

and when you find the number here is a list of model prefix 

https://www.canleyclassics.com/technical-archive/engine-number-identification-chart

Pete

Great thanks Pete, Jim 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

Ah got you, was looking at the wrong numbers then! Thanks for the help, will check again. Cheers Colin! 

[Any idea what spitfire this engine came out of??]

Hi all, wonder if anyone can help. I've bought a running engine that was pulled out of a spitfire that was crashed (rear end crash). 

I'm struggling to identify what it came out of, the seller said it is a 1300 from a spitfire but it may not have been the original engine from that car. Mk3, mk4? 

Is there anymore information that can be gleaned from the pics?? 

Planning on cleaning it up and fit to my Herald 13 60 in a couple of weeks. 

Thanks! 

[Best exhaust for Herald 1360 with Mk4 Spitfire 1300 engine?]

Exhaust manifold and straight section arrived, looks decent enough and can't argue with the cost from James Paddock, significantly less than rimmer/moss. 

Just looking at it makes my ears hurt though, I'll be adding a silencer as suggested... 

[Best exhaust for Herald 1360 with Mk4 Spitfire 1300 engine?]

1 hour ago, mark powell said:

Phew! My MX5 seats miss my roll hoop, original Herald seats wouldn't have.

Nice looks cool! You finished it?? More pics! Mx5 seats look great. Checked mgf seats and they fit even with cage, bit tight but all good! 😅

I had a red 1500,loved it but crashed it (ran out of talent in the rain, bit embarrassing)... Bought it back off insurance and moved parts from spit to herald and sold shell, gutted but a nice chap called chris is rebuilding it so at least it still lives. Pic pre and post crash... 

[Best exhaust for Herald 1360 with Mk4 Spitfire 1300 engine?]

1 hour ago, Colin Lindsay said:

May depend on the seat Jim intends to fit. I don't reckon they'll be original Herald front seats...

Ha you're right, measured the mgf seats and they fit altho was before the cage was fitted... 

Dyeing the middles black today then test fit 🤞