Herald Gearbox tie-bar?

[NANETTE]

My 1966 1200 Herald has a tie-bar from thge rear of the gearbox to the chassis. It is not in either of my manuals. It is not obvious how it should be adjusted. Can anbyone advise please?

 

David

 

PS yes it has an early prop without splines.

[Herald948]

There really isnt' much to "adjust"...and you most likely can do without it completely!

[mishmosh]

scrap it!  had cars with and without  . Cant see the point ! 

[Steve P]

I`d be more worried about where all that oil came from.

S

[NANETTE]

Thanks all for the thoughts so far. ( The oil is a controlled rust prevention system that most old cars develop ). I must admit to being concerned at the advice that if we don't understand what it's for throw it away. It must have some purpose in preventing end thrust on a bearing that is not designed to have it. It is very adjustable - if overtightened it would heave the engine/gearbox rearwards and presumably knacker the diff input shaft bearing. Is there anyone out there who understands these cars? David

[Pete Lewis]

I reckon my1959 948 had this back in 1965  its is a old carry over from mechanical clutch operation to stop judder caused by engine shift

 

with hydraulics its pretty useless.

 

the fact theres only a rubber on one side shows its generally  to take up thrust when using the clutch, 

 

the adjustment would be to be just a neat static fit with no load or effect on engine position.

 

if the front engine mounts have no position control ( like a Vee in the moulding ) then you need this to stop the fan reaching the rad on braking hard 

or other similar event .if you see what i mean 

 

 

Pete

[Clive]

Plenty of people understand these cars very well. I have never had that tie bar on any herald, and they were not used on any spitfire. Or vitesse or GT6 (unless somebody knows different)

 

I think Pete is on the right path, may have been fitted to early cars? and it got onto yours at some point. But it will serve no purpose. 

 

Worth checking th eactual gearbox mounts with that oil around, they may be perished. But where you find decent replacements goodness only knows. If the car is dripping oil, please fix it. I had a nasty accident caused by oil on a damp road, bikers get very shirty about it too. 

[NANETTE]

Not sure my brakes are that efficient!! Thank you for those thoughts - very helpful. I have fitted new gearbox mounts (Rimmer) and have bought 2 tins of Gunk to find the leak. cheers

David

[Pete Lewis]

its the engine mounts that control the dive of the engine, some are Vee'd so engine cant move ,believe early ones could be flat 

thats when the tie rod comes in 

 

not much shown on parts lists or manuals about this little option

 

I use Jizer, doesnt pong as much as gunk 

if only a small amunt needed even  bottle polyclens /brush cleaner ( not stripper) works well is the same wash off with water 

 

 

Pete

[NANETTE]

Interesting thoughts. But as the propshaft does not have splines, the engine can't move forwards! David

[Pete Lewis]

whilst its not effectively shown in any listing someone somewhere wanted to restrict/constrain  forward travel , 

    so its put it back or take it off ....can we flip a coin ??

 

                     think this needs a early   OE  herald parts list to unravel its existence

 

the early pre 62 had flat engine mounts and this would back up the need for a tie rod, 

why on a 66 is ....these things happen !!! with mix and match part swops 

 

 Pete

[Clive]

For cleaning up oil debris I use a jetwash, gets most of the mess off. And leaves enough oil in place to stop corrosion. Means the driveway needs a good clean after, and I usually wait until the management has disappeared for the day. Biological washing powder made up strong with hot water is very effective at dealing with oil too, especially on the drive (but can attack tarmac if left)