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Hi,

I have a complete GT6 overdrive gearbox. From what I research these are D type units from the factory.

In the box of spares I got with my project I have one of these J type adapters: https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-312305

Any clues what PO was trying to do here? J type better than D?

I guess the adapter by itself is useless and you need other bits as well for a conversion?

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Now the part you’ve linked Rimmers is showing as being for the TR6, 2000 and Stag. I’m fairly sure that the small chassis cars had one type of overdrive adaptor for the single rail and one for the three rail boxes, and that these would take both D and J type overdrives. 

The J type is a stronger unit nominally. But I don’t think it’s worth searching out one to change out for the D type you have. 

The adaptor is not much use by itself you’re right, but it does have value!

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well yes the J type is supposed to be an improvement on the D and is recommended if increasing the engine power output - fitting a 2.5 litre for example. However to keep the gearbox the same length (the standard OD gearbox is already a tight fit) the adaptor needed to fit the J type is part number 313085 not the one you have. Note: a new mainshaft is also needed as the drive to D and J types is different....

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2 hours ago, Josef said:

Now the part you’ve linked Rimmers is showing as being for the TR6, 2000 and Stag. I’m fairly sure that the small chassis cars had one type of overdrive adaptor for the single rail and one for the three rail boxes, and that these would take both D and J type overdrives. 

The J type is a stronger unit nominally. But I don’t think it’s worth searching out one to change out for the D type you have. 

The adaptor is not much use by itself you’re right, but it does have value!

I have a J type with no adaptor plate. How much do you want for it?

Then I can look for the mainshaft and propshaft. PO's removed the overdrive but not the badge.

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2 minutes ago, Wagger said:

I have a J type with no adaptor plate. How much do you want for it?

Then I can look for the mainshaft and propshaft. PO's removed the overdrive but not the badge.

Be aware that adapter plate is for a big saloon/stag/TR/sprint box. I have doubts it will fit a small chassis gearbox. You need the thinner adapter used on early dolly 1850s and countless conversions to fit a J type to your gearbox (I need one too, I have a spitfire 3 rail j type gearbox here, apparently reconditioned, but no OD/adapter/remote etc

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3 minutes ago, clive said:

Be aware that adapter plate is for a big saloon/stag/TR/sprint box. I have doubts it will fit a small chassis gearbox. You need the thinner adapter used on early dolly 1850s and countless conversions to fit a J type to your gearbox (I need one too, I have a spitfire 3 rail j type gearbox here, apparently reconditioned, but no OD/adapter/remote etc

OK so are any of you looking for a J type overdrive. I have also been considering fitting a Mazda 5 speed conversion as it is lighter. Just rather too expensive.

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24 minutes ago, Wagger said:

I have the 3 rail gearbox fitted on GT6 and some Dolly's. Which plate do I need?

https://www.canleyclassics.com/?product=overdrive-adapter-plate

 

But by the time you have found all te other bits and bobs, the MX5 conversion looks good value especially as it is VERY strong and all new. Downside it doesn't fit the vitesse/GT6, down to tunnel size and gearstick position. Have a look at Nicks DIY conversion on the sideways forum.

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11 minutes ago, clive said:

https://www.canleyclassics.com/?product=overdrive-adapter-plate

 

But by the time you have found all te other bits and bobs, the MX5 conversion looks good value especially as it is VERY strong and all new. Downside it doesn't fit the vitesse/GT6, down to tunnel size and gearstick position. Have a look at Nicks DIY conversion on the sideways forum.

Thanks Clive. Plenty to think about. It is the do-ing that is the problem.

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9 minutes ago, johny said:

Thats interesting then, so if you have a 3 rail box with D type OD a Jtype should bolt straight on IF you change the mainshaft of course....

Problem is that PO's removed the original engine, gearbox and o/d and fitted a non overdrive 3 rail box on a 2500TC engine. It has a 3.63:1 diff and speedo is accurate. Not too bothered really, but would like to return the car to an 'As supplied' state, or find the bits so that sons can do it when they inherit it.

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That might have been done because the 3 rail box seems to be stronger in non OD form. In fact if youre like me, not a great OD fan, a 3.27 diff would probably be a viable alternative solution although this would require a speedo change/recalibration...

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13 minutes ago, johny said:

That might have been done because the 3 rail box seems to be stronger in non OD form. In fact if youre like me, not a great OD fan, a 3.27 diff would probably be a viable alternative solution although this would require a speedo change/recalibration...

The 3.63:1 diff is tougher than the standard 3.27:1. (according to most on the forum). As it is, I can take off in 1st or 2nd, and go straight into 4th.  I do not get to dual carriageways in it, so it is adequate for current use.

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2 hours ago, johny said:

Thats interesting then, so if you have a 3 rail box with D type OD a Jtype should bolt straight on IF you change the mainshaft of course....

Possibly. There may be some other things to change? but as mentioned elsewhere, it would be a good idea to get the first motion shaft machined out and use a big tipped mainshaft. 

The canley adapter plate may be machined to be dual purpose? 

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1 hour ago, johny said:

So why do you want OD then? I suppose the need to have the strongest possible diff depends on how youre going to drive it....

Only because the badge says it has one. I was carrying it in the boot just for authenticity.

I am repeating myself here, but I did add an overdrive to a 1600/6 in 1974. Messed the sychro up due to a 'Helper'. It saved revs, but no fuel and made it easier on the ear. I tend to agree. No much going for o/d unless it works on 2nd, 3rd and 4th like the TR's. You really only get one more gear. Liked it on my 1850 Dolly though as it did 38mpg.

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4 hours ago, Wagger said:

I have also been considering fitting a Mazda 5 speed conversion as it is lighter.

You have a source for an MX-5 gearbox conversion for a GT6?

I know Vitesse Transmissions was working on one, but were struggling a bit.  Maybe they’ve cracked it now but will be £3k+

As far as I know I have the only GT6 with MX5 gearbox attached to a Triumph 6 in existence. Getting it in there was a bit of a mission.

Nick

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3 minutes ago, Nick Jones said:

You have a source for an MX-5 gearbox conversion for a GT6?

I know Vitesse Transmissions was working on one, but were struggling a bit.  Maybe they’ve cracked it now but will be £3k+

As far as I know I have the only GT6 with MX5 gearbox attached to a Triumph 6 in existence. Getting it in there was a bit of a mission.

Nick

It's the name 'Vitesse Transmissions' that confused me. Coincidence, like there is a Rover Vitesse. Would love to see pictures of yours. Should be possible in a 2L Vitesse if it works in a GT6.

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21 minutes ago, Nick Jones said:

Thanks for that Nick. Shows great determination. I'm past 75 now and have issues. Will collect all of the missing parts and pass it back to my eldest son who found the car for me. Grandson likes cars too and yearns for an MX5. It could last late into this century.

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Right yes must be the only way to do it but unfortunately the best cup needle roller bearing I can find is 18 x 24mm which is good for the mainshaft tip but rather wide so needs 5mm taking out of the input shaft bore diameter and then might risk oil starvation🙁

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