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3 Rail Synchro Rings


Darren Groves

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It is a bit confusing but I believe the earlier 148409 was used in both 3 and 4 sync 3 rail boxes (for example GT6 1 & 2 and Vit 1 & 2). Then the 3 rail box was modified in various ways (presumably all mods at the same time?) and 150328 ring (150326 is a digit out Pete) was used from then on including the single rail units.

I think all use just one type of ring or the other and theyre shouldnt be interchangeable although sometimes they do turn up in the wrong places and it would be interesting to know how well those boxes functioned......

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On 30/09/2018 at 18:59, Darren Groves said:

Thanks Pete

Out of interest then, why did 148409 supersede 113797, the later is listed for 3rd/4th Hub but NLA.

Darren

Apologies for not actually answering the question, but interested in the differences between 148409 and 113797. I took a few old 3-rail boxes apart last year for the Mongol Rally car and found a difference in the synchro rings in one gearbox. No idea if the gearbox was original to the car (registered early 1967) or even if the rings are original to the gearbox, but everything else was identical to the other boxes. At any rate they weren't doing a lot of synchronising so they were either completely worn out (they look it) or match up to different gears (cone angle?). Canley's list them as interchangeable (at least 113797 says use 148409)...

potential_113797.jpg

Later type, 148409:

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From eBay, listing for an 113797,  looks to have the narrower channels interrupting the ridges as in my first picture.
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On 03/10/2018 at 21:31, 68vitesse said:

So unless I'm confused.

113797 used in three rail three and four syncro box and can be replaced with 148409

150328 used in later three rail four syncro box, fitted to GT6Ill and early Dolomite 1850 and used in all single rail boxes.

Regards

Paul

Sorry, still a bit confused...?.....

Does this mean all 4 synchro gearboxes, whether 3 rail or single rail use the later synchro ring 150328 and just the 3 Rail/3 Synchro gearboxes use 113797/148409.....looking at Canleys & Rimmers website, that's what they seem to list.

Darren 

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On 03/10/2018 at 22:31, 68vitesse said:

So unless I'm confused.

113797 used in three rail three and four syncro box and can be replaced with 148409

150328 used in later three rail four syncro box, fitted to GT6Ill and early Dolomite 1850 and used in all single rail boxes.

Regards

Paul

Hi Darren, it means what Paul put here although to be entirely correct Spitfires, logically, also used the 150328 in their 3 rail 4 synchro boxes at around the same time as the GT6 III and Dolly 1850 before all models went over to single rails....

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