Gadgetman Posted September 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 I’m considering putting a servo on and larger displacement master cylinder with the 4 piston calipers. Servo to reduce the pedal load and larger bore master cylinder to displace the needed amount of fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 If single inlet they are not Princess callipers - which raises the question of what they actually are..... Have you calculated the piston area and compared to type 14 and 16? Triumph used 5/8 MC with 14 and 0.7 with 16. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 From fitting alternative calipers change the mc bore add a servo what do you expect to gain The std with mintexx 1144 will stop, it on a 5p and not lock the wheels with no hassle Unless you have a brake dyno its easy to find its all a lot of workmand head scratching and the gain is its a lot worse than before Offset the cost against the gain and how many driving miles you need utopia and the dreams turn to nightmares. Pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Princess calipers are now very rare and can be difficult to obtain spares for. If you wish to upgrade the brakes the 2 Litre front brakes are the best option as it has all been worked out for you by Standard Triumph. The 2 Litre rear brake slave cylinders are 3/8" The master cylinder is 0.7" Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 There does seem to be a degree of mission-creep setting in. As stated, the standard 2L brakes are really pretty good provided decent pads are fitted. My Vitesse now has somewhere in the region of 135-140bhp and gets used with enthusiasm. Brakes are std 2L apart from DS2500 pads and are fine for all but most extreme (Alpine hooliganism and track days). This will be addressed by spacing the T16 callipers and vented discs. The tears will then be the weakest link. Nick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Part of the upgrade to the brakes on my TR7 was to use the Capri 2.8 vented discs and spaced calipers. If I remember the mounting hole spacing is different than the 16P calipers. Maybe close to the 16 caliper? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Capri discs are the best option for the T16 callipers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 I’m finally just getting round to fitting my type 16’s onto the 1600 vitesse. Just to confirm, should the rear slaves be 5/8” cylinders and the master be 0.7” ? ive got most of the other odd bits just need to buy new verticle links and cylinders. Has anyone fitted the canley trunionless Vertical links? After having one snap I’m tempted to but those instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted March 2, 2019 Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 54 minutes ago, Gadgetman said: I’m finally just getting round to fitting my type 16’s onto the 1600 vitesse. Just to confirm, should the rear slaves be 5/8” cylinders and the master be 0.7” ? Rear brake cylinders - 3/4" are fitted to the Vitesse 2 Litre models and early Mk1 GT6. 5/8" was fitted to the late Mk1 and all Mk2 GT6. The Master cylinder is 0.7" Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 2, 2019 Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 you do realise the mounting plate centres are different by about 1/2 hole so 16 need there own mount (and orig 1600 was type 12 ) Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2019 Thanks yup I’ve got the type 16 adapter plates ( see earlier in the thread) ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Any thoughts on the canley trunionless vertical links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 im unsure how they last with road dirt Open rose joints are ok for the track use but for a daily driver ????? As the originals can last 50,years and more if looked after , wheres the problem with a trunion. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 My trunnionless seem to be doing well. Plenty of all-weather use and no maintenance apart from being squirted with WD40 once a year (If I remember) 5 years on the road, so not really long term. For longer term reviews check on Caterhams, they have used them for years. But I was "impressed" enough to pay the extra for trunnionless over conventional uprights with trunnions. Though if you have a spitfire/herald it gets expensive as you may well need the calliper brackets, which ARE pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 I’m just nervous after I had one break... probably down to previous owner as it had corrosion pits. As I’m changing both to later style to take type 16 caliper brackets it would be the time to upgrade them if it’s worthwhile.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, clive said: My trunnionless seem to be doing well. Plenty of all-weather use and no maintenance apart from being squirted with WD40 once a year (If I remember) 5 years on the road, so not really long term. For longer term reviews check on Caterhams, they have used them for years. But I was "impressed" enough to pay the extra for trunnionless over conventional uprights with trunnions. Though if you have a spitfire/herald it gets expensive as you may well need the calliper brackets, which ARE pricey. Thanks. I have the brackets already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Clive thanks for the heads up on how well they do, useful Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetman Posted March 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Another question, do I need later hubs or will my type 12 wheel hubs work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 you need the 2ltr larger discs . they will fit the old hubs, i believe the later hubs had bigger bearings , my 1600 certainly had some odd sizes but discs were a direct fit do clean up the faces with a nice flat file any runout on the disk is normally started with the hub faces. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 As Pete says, just use the GT6 type disc on your hub. Don't worry too much about bearing size, the small herald/vit1600 sized bearings are used on tr's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 The 1600, Vitesse 2 Litre and GT6 all have the same size front bearings. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Apologies, I have only had a single 1600 vitesse through my hands, and I assumed it used the same front suspension stuff as the herald ( IE same callipers/discs, but I never realised they used larger wheel bearings etc,) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Yes 1600 has the larger stub and caliper adaptor plates , but silly type 12 small calipers and pads The adaptor plates hole centres for 12s are just 1/2 hole out so wont take a 16 unless you fancy oval caliper bolt holes !! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 But the 1600 adaptor brackets have serious value ( so GT6 owners can use 4 pot callipers etc) but GT6/2litre vitesse adaptors are generally cheap s/h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 now i wonder where i hid mine when we converted her. ? maybe they are lurking somewhere ??? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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