Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I have just bought a "restored" GT6 Mk3 and am finding some horrors like greased trunnions, "slotted" wishbone holes and front tyres fouling the bulkhead on lock - all despite an advisory free MOT cert. I have no previous experience of Triumph foibles and desperately need guidance from those with the knowledge. The car is on 175/70R13 Tyres, in what combination of circumstances could these foul the bulkhead ? The road wheels look to be standard with no spacers but are not marked as 4.5J. The coil springs appear to be new but as I have no build history I do not know if they are standard height or lowered versions. Could spacers or collets have been omitted from the coil spring/shocker assemblies when they were rebuilt ? Any suggestions will be avidly pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 there are other posts around here about tyre fouls, if the shockers are std then the pad is fixed , no spacers or collets things like the wishbone pivots can get assembled upside down wrong handed etc this can really upset the castor and wheel positions as can accident damage. on a simpler note the rack may not be centralised and you get excessive lock angles, when does it foul ??? on bumps or on lock your tyre size is correct do the springs have any colour coding or anything other than black ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Thanks Pete, On left turns, the nearside wheel fouls on the slightest lock and it has got worse in the few miles I have driven it, as if the ride height is settling. That side has the slotted wishbone which is being replaced. Looking at the offside there is the slightest mark on the bulkhead to suggest it has been lightly touched by the tyre at some point. As far as I can tell the springs are plain black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 i would only guess someone has slotted the wishbone bracket ? to adjust some factor why ?? who knows It really should not settle down that much I would have a carefull look at the pivot brackets on the chassis rail , these do get fitted often incorrectly theres an up and down that must be adhered to and the turret has some limited adjustment on its chassis fixings there could be a packing on the turret inner chassis mount bolt to take up any tolerance gaps . if this was needed and missing you tilt the turret or have a gap you dont want. if you do any geometry measures look at the spec, many need 150Lb on each seat some GT6 spec shows unladen but all you need is a two bricks to support a plank above the tyre bulge and a tape masure across the planks may need spare pair of hands or ....................come and see me i have all the proper gear to set it up. dont forget if you have joined the TSSC you get a first insurance valuation free I can do that locally or come to duxford and join the queue its important this is in place . Pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Just checked wishbones and pivot brackets as suggested and they all appear to be correctly fitted. The springs are black with no colour coding so probably standard. We will re-assemble front suspension on both sides from scratch and check result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 is the slot man made or wear through being loose, unless someone misguided was attempting to change the camber its a serious No NO I think an independent MOT by yourself is worth doing when youre happier about the front end was the car from a trader or buyer beware private sale Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 The elongated slot was wear through being loose, the offside was also found to be loose but not worn yet. The car was bought as a private sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Twitchen Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Can I suggest a visit to your local area meet and have somebody do a comparison, this may well throw light on the problem straight away. Dick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Centralise the steering and then measure each side, edge of tyre to bulkhead or front edge of sill. This will immediately show any major imbalance / damage or distortion that may not be visible at first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 a quick tape measure from a fixed point on the body or rear wheels to the wheel rim or hub centre line will show if there is any wheel base problems the next H & B meet is Monday 26th september the car will i guess still be off road but you can come and measure everyone else's Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Many thanks to everyone for the various suggestions which we are currently working through. Tony is working late in an effort to get the suspension and carbs in at least a state safe enough to take the car to Duxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Many thanks to everyone for the various suggestions which we are currently working through. Tony is working late in an effort to get the suspension and carbs in at least a state safe enough to take the car to Duxford. Unfortunately not to be, GT6 still with suspension partially stripped out and CDSE carbs awaiting attention to stop the over-rich mixture to cylinders 1 to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 if the front carb is over rich , then temperature compensator is troubling the choke is passing excess fuel the diaphragm is split the float needle is blocked or not seating there are no ) rings in the jet body to leach fuel out float fitted upside down ( yes possible if it has two float arms ) if you remove the piston the fuel should be a few mm visible below the jet orifice air cleaner blocking the front face ports and then head scratching starts come to duxford in a modern its allowed , bring a copy of the advert ( if you ask nice theres some in the kiosk ) Pete pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 if the front carb is over rich , then temperature compensator is troubling the choke is passing excess fuel the diaphragm is split the float needle is blocked or not seating there are no ) rings in the jet body to leach fuel out float fitted upside down ( yes possible if it has two float arms ) if you remove the piston the fuel should be a few mm visible below the jet orifice air cleaner blocking the front face ports and then head scratching starts come to duxford in a modern its allowed , bring a copy of the advert ( if you ask nice theres some in the kiosk ) Pete pete I will be at Duxford in a modern. I have now received my Membership pack from Angie but my newspaper subscription allows me two people for the price of one entry to IWM museums so I might take advantage of that and enter with Joe Public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 I attach pics of the nearside front suspension now re-assemled with a 3/8" spacer on top of the spring. The mark on the lower bulkhead is where the tyre was fouling on left lock. If anyone can spot an obvious assembly fault, please shout ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dougbgt6 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Well, I'm not sure what's wrong but, that flexible brake hose is too tight! Is that a drilled hole in the chassis in front, of the front, lower wishbone? What's it for? Should the whole thing be mounted further forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Doug I reckon that hole is a shiney nut on the pivot brkt and thats in the varifocals with the slippers on Ha !!! pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Oh yeh! You're right! It's there when you blow the picture up. Didn't see it despite my varifocals and slippers. My slippers have no pom poms. Perhaps that's what I need. But, that brake hose still ain't right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Yes Doug It looking a bit taut , its on max deflection hanging but thats not good needs a few more mm of hose Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well, I'm not sure what's wrong but, that flexible brake hose is too tight! Is that a drilled hole in the chassis in front, of the front, lower wishbone? What's it for? Should the whole thing be mounted further forward? Yes Doug It looking a bit taut , its on max deflection hanging but thats not good needs a few more mm of hose Pete Thanks for the brake hose comments - have now ordered a pair of new hoses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Sorry to be the cause of more expense! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Doug Pro active sales ideas dont get any comision , ive tried that , doesnt top up the pension And no greenshield stamps Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu1ckn1ck Posted September 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Doug Pro active sales ideas dont get any comision , ive tried that , doesnt top up the pension And no greenshield stamps Pete My thanks will give you both credit in Triumph heaven. We have now found that the steering rack adjustable clamp plates are missing ! Instead of just replacing them, I have ordered the steering rack solid mounting kit, oh, and a new accelerator cable to replace the slightly frayed existing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 be carefull with solid mounts , there is under (or should be ) a small plastic anti rattle plug in a hole in the tube held in by the rubbers, many solid mounts leave this exposed and ot falls out a jubilee clip works , part is 145108 Canley and Moss show it should it be missing throttle cables get a push bike rear brake cable .. its long enough to make 2 does need a solderless nipple at one end cheap and much better Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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