watsona6 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Now then. Neither of my doors lock. Not a major. May buy a stoplock type device anyway. More concerning is the passenger door doesn’t always shut securely and at times can be pushed open. The passenger door is out of line a fair bit - I’m wondering if that’s playing havoc with the closing mechanism. Any ideas on how to adjust? Door bolts to get a better fit or directly at the locking components instead? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 hmmm door adjustment is done on the hinges to get it sitting correctly and then on the lock mechanism to get it to shut properly. Think you definitely need the Haynes manual.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 You are not wrong. Should land on Thursday. Job for the weekend. I think both will probably need adjusting although with a better fit on the door I think it will help the mechanism fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 yes its quite a fiddly job but worth spending time on as you want the rubber seal making a good contact (but not too much) with the door all the way round, the door gap the same all the way round, the door line matching the body plus the door flush fitting and latching smoothly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Cheers Johny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 9 hours ago, johny said: you want the rubber seal making a good contact (but not too much) with the door all the way round, Hi. I think my door seals are not fitting great (correct profile ones, bought from Bill Davis) and water coming in. I was wondering if to slide a piece of paper in between seal/door, to find any tight/loose areas, then to bend the seal flange a bit, to correct, as the door fit appears not bad in general. Do you think this would work. Cheers, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Spit and Gt6 door mechanisms are a nightmare of rods and plates slides and springs There is a slide that fail in the lock, subject of 3 d printing , but now avaiable in steel print, cant search on this tablet right now doug has some on trial im sure he can copy the link If you can assemble a typewriter in a dark room you will get the hang of the door rods Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Pete, Here is the link to the 3D printing thread. I was one of two who trialled the part manufactured by Louis, both eventually broke. As Johny suggests, Watson's door adjustment/alignment should be sorted out first. Then it may just be realignment of rods or reattachment of the strange rod to mechanism clips. Watson, Here is a picture from Canley Classics Spares site showing the door look mechanism, the strange clips referred to are part GHF1180. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 the direct link to the failed part https://www.shapeways.com/product/5SRGN2RJU/spitfire-door-control-rod-outer-door-handle-rh?optionId=64897002&li=marketplace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 hours ago, daverclasper said: Hi. I think my door seals are not fitting great (correct profile ones, bought from Bill Davis) and water coming in. I was wondering if to slide a piece of paper in between seal/door, to find any tight/loose areas, then to bend the seal flange a bit, to correct, as the door fit appears not bad in general. Do you think this would work. Cheers, Dave Thats exactly what you do Dave. Obviously its a combination of getting the door sitting correctly and the seal compressed the right amount all the way round. You could almost remove the seal completely to get the door position correct then refit the seal and tap the flange in or out to ensure it seals well without interfering with its closing. Dont forget that the quarterlight frame is also adjustable (and bendable) to get a good seal on the front edge (and roof on a saloon) which is important as a lot of wind noise can come from this area. I think Universities should offer a degree qualification just in door fitting...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 and recycling corn flake packets ....a very universal tool Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Thanks. The drawing of the parts will help. I deduced that the latch was faulty by comparing it to my working drivers side latch. Basically once the door is shut you can just push it open as the mechanism fails to stay shut (until you pull the door handle). Anyway - new latch ordered then I’ll have a play maybe at the weekend and see if I can stop the kids falling out of the car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 I’m not good at doors! Same issue as before but have a new latch fitted. I need some hinge bolts (missing) and some kicker plate screws (I’m going to need to drill them out I think). Anyone have the part numbers for Rimmers? Otherwise I’ll call them Monday (1979 1500). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 Go to canley classics site and if you click on the part id you get the part numbers Example https://www.canleyclassics.com/triumph-spitfire-mkiv/1500-door-handles-and-lock Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 Thanks Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 Gentlemen, About six posts back I posted a Canley Classics diagram with parts numbers! Nobody listens db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iana Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 watsona6 theres a gt6 workshop manual on this site - the door lock / handle is the same as a mkiv and 1500 spitfire - this may give you an idea. http://vitessesteve.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: Gentlemen, About six posts back I posted a Canley Classics diagram with parts numbers! Nobody listens db Doug - I did see your post and used the image to work through the latch switch. I didn’t know about clicking on the image though for further details. 👍🏽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 I have gotten the door to sit better (closer to the kicker plate) with the replacing of the bolts (some had sheared and some were missing. Given I’ve replaced the latch (2nd hand) and tested it (with a screwdriver) it still doesn’t latch correctly (can be opened with a sharpish pull). Is it possible for a kicker plate to be faulty?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 I have gotten the door to sit better (closer to the kicker plate) with the replacing of the bolts (some had sheared and some were missing. Given I’ve replaced the latch (2nd hand) and tested it (with a screwdriver) it still doesn’t latch correctly (can be opened with a sharpish pull). Is it possible for a kicker plate to be faulty?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Theres a good chance the lock is being held part open by the rods and inner release , this is on slotted holes and can be adjusted If its holding tension it is opening the lock release. There must be some small clearance between the outer release and the lock lever You seem to be duplicating posts or are your problems ....breeding You need a spifire guru to comment on cills as bodged overcills can wreck door fits if the gap was not controlled Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Thanks Pete. Think I’m just talking about multiple issues on other posts when I should be sticking to one area (as they are split up into sections of the car). Does the rods/inner release still apply when I can activate the latch correctly using a screwdriver for example? The door fits better now but it’s not anywhere near perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 You can trip the latch with a scewdriver or anything, it obviously should stay latched but you cant apply the same load by hand as the door shutting. I would remove the door card and slacken the release screws and move the release rearwards a bit. Compare the result The slide cam inside the lock is prone to fail, your second hand one may be as bad as the orig Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 I’ll have a play. The second one seems better than the first one on testing off the door. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsona6 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Starting to get somewhere. Think I have the issue. Any ideas where I might get this bit from as opposed to buying at £100 new lock?! Rimmers don’t seem to list this part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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