johny Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, daverclasper said: Thanks Johny. I can try that, just a bit concerned, that if does move, I won't be able to see that As it contacts first wont you be able to see the seal is in position against the block before you finally tighten the adaptor against the outer seal? Use a torch and mirror.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 Thanks. Also I assume about two turns of the main bolt after the outer lip of the adapter has made contact with the seal would be enough?, even though the lip is still very visible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 Does the manual have a torque for the original type filter housing bolt as that would be a good guide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 yes Dave the manual is your friend = 15 - 18 lb.ft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 Dave, sorry to butt in but I'm having a mare getting the filter off my adapter. Can't get a good grip so I took the housing off but still won't budge using my three prong tool. I'll have to wait until tomorrow when our maintenance guy gets in as he has a bench vice. Question is can I refit with the filter pointing up? It would give me easy access for filter changes. I have the non return filter from the club. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 ooh wonder if its been cross threaded or even the wrong thread? Filter pointing up really defeats the object of having the adaptor so keeping the original might have been better. I know theres a non return valve or even two on some filters but they are literally a rubber flap laying over the inlet holes so although slowing down the loss of oil from the filter cant be relied apon to stop it emptying over a few days🙁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, johny said: ooh wonder if its been cross threaded or even the wrong thread? Don't think so just on bloody tight! I have to say the standard horizontal oil filter can would be much easier to change! The PO had the spin on fitted I'm thinking I might revert back to original can and filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 only a couple of things with the original: the availability of the filters and of course its a bit messy when changing as the can usually still has a bit of oil in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 It's certainly oily now I've taken the housing off and wrestled the unit trying to take the filter off! Is there anything wrong with fitting the spin off vertically up? If the oil runs out its surely no worse than the original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 Nothing wrong and some cars have that set up but of course takes longer to fill up the filter and get oil to bearings when starting after a period laid up. Youll have to try it and see if its acceptable (rattling?) as the original is at least horizontal so keeps some oil in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 The filter came off after clamping the body in a vice. Even with the three prong tool and a ratchet it was very tight. It wasn't me honest! Getting back on topic I noticed the body to engine outer seal was frayed nearly in half. I've ordered the seal kit ftom Paddock part no JPG155SK for £8.55 plus £5.00 delivery. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 whilst filter seals get replaced with filter changes its a bit puzzling why the spin on adaptor seals are degrading as they would not be really expected to be a "service" item in general but the seal kits are available so someone knows they need checking Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: whilst filter seals get replaced with filter changes its a bit puzzling why the spin on adaptor seals are degrading as they would not be really expected to be a "service" item in general but the seal kits are available so someone knows they need checking All I did was take the housing off and found the outer seal in this condition. Very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 Looks like that was pinched by something at some stage. That might be possible if the adaptor is rotated in situ to get the filter in an easier position for changing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 That looks like somebody tried to remove it with a sharp pointy thing, failed, and decided to leave it in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NonMember said: That looks like somebody tried to remove it with a sharp pointy thing, failed, and decided to leave it in there. I agree, it wasn't me! As soon as I took the housing off I saw a tang of the seal poking out the machined groove in the block. I suppose it could have 'stuck' to the housing as I took it out and as the seal is quite brittle broken? On the plus side Paddock came up trumps with next day delivery (only paid for standard) and the new seal is the correct size. Made in China..... Edited March 14, 2023 by Iain T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 That's the same part no's as the one I bought from Moss. Had some problems with the fit, maybe there were machining differences on the Mocals over time? Let me know how the kit works out for you please Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 15 hours ago, daverclasper said: Let me know how the kit works out for you please Dave, the outer seal fitted perfectly in the engine grove. The smaller inner seal seemed slightly too small to fit in the spinner housing machined rebate. I gave it a few tugs to stretch it and 'stuck' it in place with a thin smeer of Wellseal. To assist getting the filter off again instead of it being at about 7 o'clock it's now at 9.30 just above horizontal. There is a block drain(?) fitting that's in the way stopping it going below horizontal and I definitely don't want to disturb it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Thanks. That thing in the way sounds like the oil pressure relief valve?. If so you can easily remove and fit the filter at about 7.30? and refit valve, though means filter is close ish to chassis and you have to remove valve again and loosen adapter to move it up to access filter to change it. I've just bought a used original filter housing of EBay and Local Moss appear to have the filter, inc the outer seal for under £4. For me it just seems an more straightforward route? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, daverclasper said: For me it just seems an more straightforward route? Yep, much easier and more convenient. If your engine is in good condition then the benefits of a (horizontal) spin-on filter are minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Looks like the oil pressure switch but because its been extended to include a pressure gauge and oil feed (to rockers?) its much larger than normal☹️ I wouldnt disturb it or the adaptor seal - the latter was originally intended to be replaced everytime it was undone but try it as it is and have a listen on a cold start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, NonMember said: Yep, much easier and more convenient. If your engine is in good condition then the benefits of a (horizontal) spin-on filter are minimal. I agree, I've only refitted as I had a new filter and started so I'll finish! The original fitment if regularly changed and use of quality oil seems perfectly ok. I've seen some cans on ebay but must include the internal fittings. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, johny said: Looks like the oil pressure switch but because its been extended to include a pressure gauge and oil feed (to rockers?) its much larger than normal☹️ Well if you're gonna 'ave one 'ave a big un! The other oil feed goes to the needle valve to control the rocker oil feed. It's a long hexagon fitting (relief spring?) about 50mm long that's stopping the filter can from being rotated to say 8 o'clock. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, daverclasper said: I've just bought a used original filter housing of EBay Did it come with the boss, bolt and I think there is a spring? Also seems to be a filter centraliser? I assume the outer seal is the same as spin on? Edited March 15, 2023 by Iain T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I get spin on filters with the flats around the top. Using a matching oil filter removal tool ( a 'cap' with a 3/8 socket drive hole in the centre) there's room to remove the filter without having to remove anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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