13/60 Windscreen Removal?.

[PeteH]

Hi

Been working with the screen still in the front Tub. However, yesterday I had a scare, the tub tipped over and for a while I thought the screen had Gone!.

So, I am tempted to remove it, I probably would have to for a full paint job anyway. Question. What is the best way to tackle the removal?. Looking at it I suspect it has to come out forward?.

I also have to bear in mind this is a 50 year old screen!.

Pete.

[Pete Lewis]

easy.   look at the marks on the screen  at that age its likely toughend   you can be quite rough it wont break , if laminated then more care they can crack 

remove the plastic mylar insert on the outside,  if tub is on car sit on seat and push screen with feet till the flip rolls over the aperture flange    

as yours is off car  you need to support the tub to be able to appliy some steady load,   or if you cut the inner flip off , this wrecks the seal and a new will be needed

then the screen will fall out .   if the glass is laminate this is the only safe way to save the screen

when you need to refit  ask again 

 

Pete

 

[Colin Lindsay]

Spread an old quilt over the bonnet / front of bulkhead; if the screen falls out then it's cushioned.

I usually just pick on one top corner and work at the inner seal until I can get it pushed under the metal lip to create a space; then anything plastic (that won't damage glass or metal) can be worked along until the entire edge is free or you've created a large enough gap. Once you can get your fingers in behind it will usually just continue to pull out easily enough. 

[NonMember]

As Colin says, run something plastic round the outside edge of the seal, both front and back, first, to free it off from any mastic that was used when fitted. Then you need to apply substantial but distributed pressure behind the screen to persuade it out. I removed my Spitfire's screen from its frame, off the car, by building up a stack of wood, covered in cloth, and resting the glass on that, then pushing down hard on the frame. Once it starts to come out at one point, work along from there. You don't want to stress the glass by pulling any part out far ahead of any other, but a half-inch or so between top middle and corner can be accomodated as you work it along.

As soon as the whole top edge is free, it'll lift out really easily.

[PeteH]

HI

Thanks for the input. I have some welds to complete before I can move it again. So I will likely give it a try after that.

Pete

[Pete Lewis]

toughend glass is immensely strong till you break the skin then...bang !!!    and lots of tiny chimbled particles everywhere

laminate is easy to crack but the vinyl inner layer holds it together so you dont exit the car in a shower of particles , just a headache  so whilst it breaks easy its safer on the occupants 

or there abouts 

 

there used to be a flilm testing by sitting  the  screen on two Joists  and then stand in the middle , it supports an adult,   if you used bricks you would likely 

breach the skin and get a let down with a bang !

pete

[PeteH]

Hi,

Been looking at this, wonder if I best cut the rubber, save the screen? 1) it`s probably 50 years old anyway. 2) If I do, best source of replacement, there is some dodgy "bits" out there, Rimmers want 47 quid. so that, I suspect, is the ball park?.

Pete

[NonMember]

If the rubber has had it, your screen will pop out easily without having to cut anything. If the screen needs effort to remove then the rubber is probably worth saving - possibly still better than the new stuff.

[Pete Lewis]

not check but c o Baines make most seals https://coh-baines.co.uk/product-category/classic-car/triumph/

these will have formed corners     ie  ES29   @ £23

pete

 

[PeteH]

Ok. So went to it, and it Cracked Big Time. So now a new screen! (or S-H if possible?). I now have an idea why it did looking at it it appears that at some point black mastic has been put into the sealing strip to stop leaking, I assume, now hard and brittle it must have been enough to make unequal stress point. So it is now looking as if I have the seal to replace as well.

Edit:- Hindsight (20/20 vision) would have dictated cut the seal and preserve the screen.

Edited March 14, 2020 by PeteH

[poppyman]

Bad news that Pete........ Having done the same, twice (many years ago) i always leave screens to the specialists......Less chance of leaks as well.

Tony. 

[PeteH]

Hi

At my age I should know better!. "Er indoors" was surprisingly sympathetic.

Pete

[NonMember]

Hmm... Sorry to say this after the event but that breakage pattern is rather suggestive of it being a laminated screen. Pete (and others) did say the "give it a good shove" advice only applied to toughened ones.

[PeteH]

HI

Wouldn't be so bad, but "in days gone by" we popped them out of Escorts for a pastime. No point in attempting a Forrest stage when you cannot see!. We used to raid the scrapyards, for replacements.I personally still think the Dry gunge in the seal had much to do with it.

Pete

[Pete Lewis]

they would have been toughend back then  

they should be marked so you then know you can be rough or Very delicate   too late 

on refitting i would run a good bead of the black stuff around the seal flip and when stringing in with some woven cord  you bed it down witha old glove filled with shot or sharp sand

never a mallet etc. something soft and  waddy but has a bit of weight 

if corners are shy or stretched a good sliver of something like a slice of screenwash tube in the glass groove will pack it out 

one reason why a rubber with vulcanised corners is a best buy.  

i have spent many years developing screen sealing and still say use the black gutter sealer  . so easy to clean off and very forgiving  its not a glued in screen it needs some flexibility

in life 

Pete

[PeteH]

As this one was obviously Laminated. ( i found the mark, very feint but legible). It will I assume not have been O/E.?  But `71 is towards the end of the 13/60 run is it not?.

I have a "line" on a Toughened screen, (cheap) which I assume will substitute?.

Pete

[NonMember]

If it's a Herald screen it should fit, regardless of toughened/laminated or engine size. And yes, the toughened ones are not expensive - worth so little, in fact, that I couldn't be bothered to keep the one I removed from a scrap 13/60 back in the day 🙁