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Adjusting solenoid operating lever - use an ammeter


Waynebaby

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Hi All,

I thought I'd share my expensive lesson in not making assumptions when adjusting the operating lever on a Type-D overdrive solenoid. My last solenoid died an overheated smelly death in a very short space of time, despite me setting the operating  lever travel using a 3/16" rod as shown in the attached picture. Being too lazy to dig out my ammeter, I'd assumed that the adjustment was correct only to discover after a few miles of O/D operation that this wasn't the case. Yesterday I adjusted a replacement solenoid using the rod as before but this time double-checked with an ammeter. The current drawn by the solenoid was a constant 19A rather than the ~2A maintenance current which is drawn when the plunger is fully home and depresses the micro-switch. It took another turn on the adjustment nut before the switch was consistently closing. A clear case of check twice, change once!   

Wayne

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so the setting alignment was with holding the solenoid armature from bottoming on the end switch  

Dave Twigger the OD man does say the setting is not without the need of some manipulation ....theres got to get a fair wear on the lever and the spool valve lift

on a D type its all pretty mechanical operation of the hydraulics

think your check   was a good call 

Pete

 

 

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  • 1 year later...

The time had come to have a look at the O/D . To the best of my memory it was working, next day it wasn't. No unhealthy noises and no slip in reverse. As advised by Canley, I took the plate off to look at the solenoid arm, started her up ( she's on axle stands ) put her in 3rd and tried the lever switch on the column. No movement at all. With the engine off and  in 3 and moving the switch I can hear a faintish clicking which seems to be coming from the battery area. If you look at the pic. Showing my inexperience , is the the O/D engaged ? If it is , does this mean I'm best not to reverse the car ?

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as the solenoid push rod is up against the front stop the OD is definitely disengaged 

when the solenoid does energise the lever moves rewards and as a std  setting a 3/16" drill should pop thro the lever hole and enter a similar hole in the case 

this is as  new setting and some small adjustment may be needed as wear takes its toll on the lever and the spool valve it lifts to make things work 

so to set it up you do need power to the solenoid then adjust the nut to give the stroke to align the 'holes' 

any clicking may be the relay  D type must have one , normally by the battery/coil zone but can be  fitted anywhere if its a retro fit  OD.

the solenoid takes approx 10amps to pull in then the re is a switch at the inside sealed end of the sol. which cuts one coil out and current when running 0.5amps  relies on the full travel of the sol. armature 

the solenoid does not move very far just a few mm .

should have read first post first  Ha !

Pete

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As Pete says, the faint click you hear is the relay, but that solenoid is not engaged. It's probably a wiring fault between the relay and the solenoid - if that blue wire with a red crimp is the solenoid connection then I definitely don't like the look of it. Time to get the multimeter out and look for where the volts aren't getting to.

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Hi all...More about the Overdrive solenoid on my 1970 Vitesse. Yes the ' dodgy ' wire from the crimp to the solenoid is of a smaller guage than the Y/P wire  from the relay. It's not a problem with removing the lower screw on the sol. because it's not there ! The top screw was not loose but certainly not tight. I noticed a very slight movement on the solenoid itself . I'm going to replace it. I've managed to borrow a pump to clear the water in the pit. I'll have a go with the dreaded screw and see what happens. Where's the solenoid earth ? I started not much further than scratch here you understand... Regards. Neil

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I think you should sort out the electrical problems before doing any adjusting. You're likely to just make things worse, otherwise.

The solenoid earths through its mounting to the gearbox. If the fixings were loose and/or missing then it won't work. Sort that out first. Then if that doesn't fix it, check for voltage on the blue wire.

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As stated above I would check voltage on the blue wire, I had a similar overdrive not working which turned out to be dirty/misaligned contacts in the relay so the relay clicked but no contact was made, just needed a bit of a clean and adjust and has worked fine ever since.

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Hi all..Thanks for your help gents so far. With the old O/D solenoid in a chorroded state I've have a new one from Moss. Incidentally the two screws have been replaced by bolts. I've not fitted the solenoid yet. As far as I can see there is no power to the solenoid wire from the relay. I'm getting normal volts from the fusebox and ignition. I have the cover off the relay and its chorroded but the points are closing ok. I've cleaned everything up. Still no power to the sol wire. Will the stork or inhibitor switch affect this ? The sol wire will be replaced. What amps would I need for wire and fuse ?... Regards Neil

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in glass fuse  rating a 17/35 would be well adequate and any std  auto wire  will be fine it does takea flash load of 10+ amps but only for a fraction of a second the

main holding coil on a D type runs at less than 0.5 amps whilst its in its running engaged position .

a J type takes only less thebn 0,5amp there is no pull in coil  just a holding coil . and doesnt need a relay 

Dtype  sol on  drivers side  J type sol on passenger side 

the SA141 type inhibitor switches can be full of green corrosion and the relay,  if replacing consider fit the relay inside the car not in the engine  bay.

Pete

 

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Inhibitor switches can be taken apart and serviced. There are several designs some easier than others to dismantle but all seem to be soft aluminium housings that can be opened with a punch or small cold chisel. From my experience the seal around the plunger can leak allowing oil in when they are screwed into the gearbox.

Adrian

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