Darren Groves Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Has anyone fitted the Smart Screen Intermittent Wiper unit to a DR3A single speed wiper motor? Wiring diagram supplied is only for a two speed motor (below). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Hello Darren Just ignore the blue connection as it is not used I have one fitted but do not think it works on high speed (and why would you want it to?) I think it is a good bit of kit had mine for at least 3 years. Have you got the single wipe option on your car(mine is a Spitfire 1500) if so you can set the timer by using that. You just give it a flick for one wipe then count how long you want the interval for or watch the rain on the screen and flick again(I think I have remembered that right!) Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Groves Posted March 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, rogerguzzi said: Hello Darren Just ignore the blue connection as it is not used I have one fitted but do not think it works on high speed (and why would you want it to?) I think it is a good bit of kit had mine for at least 3 years. Have you got the single wipe option on your car(mine is a Spitfire 1500) if so you can set the timer by using that. You just give it a flick for one wipe then count how long you want the interval for or watch the rain on the screen and flick again(I think I have remembered that right!) Roger Hi Roger, Thanks for the reply but not sure it's that simple....the only connections on a switch on a single speed wiper set-up is a wire from the motor and then a wire to earth on the other side of the switch, all the switch does is provide the earth. There is no live to the switch as per the 2 speed motor and on a single speed one what would go to the 'SW' terminal on the Smart Screen? The Club Shop get these units from the MGOC, they say it can be done but don't know how and the guy that makes them does it in his spare time and doesn't reply to emails or answer his telephone.... Cheers Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Hello Darren Does it have self parking? if not I do not think it will work as it uses the self park to do the timing Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Groves Posted March 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Hi Roger, Yes, they self park but wiring is quite different between the single and two speed motors.... Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't know the innards of the Smart Screen but it looks like a replica of the BDT system that I designed in the 1990s for a Dolomite. If so, it's not likely to work on a single-speed Herald motor unless they've given it sufficient thought to provide a link option, which doesn't look likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/elan-mods-f31/smartscreen-intermittent-wipers-review-t25502.html Any help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Thanks Colin. It looks like they went for the "make eight variants of the product" approach, so the model Roger fitted to his 1500 will not work for Darren on a Herald but if he buys the correct other model then it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Darren I did reply to your FB post. If you have a look at the Lucas 2 speed wiring and working ( see http://www.gomog.com/BLAIR/tech/electrical/wipers/2speed/2SpeedWiperMotor.html) I think you can reverse engineer it... The standard herald single speed motor switch just connects to GND to make the motor run, when you switch it off the motor continues to run until the park switch goes O/C. In the 2 speed things are more complicated basically when you switch off the connect the slow speed thru to the park switch that has 12v on it until the motor gets to the park position, at this point the park switch shorts the motor to GND, I think they do to stop the motor as quickly as possible. I am not sure whats in the Smart Screen but it looks like it 'might' work if you connect the W and P terminals across your Herald switch slight assumption they are using a relay here wiper to W, poles to P and SW... Can you bench test it power it up and check the continuity between W and P terminals? Mike PS just fitted 2 speed wipers to my Herald (from a GT6), used an Ardunio to power the motor and monitor the park switch, then programmed it to give a couple of intermittent speeds as well as normal and fast. Used a 2 pole 5 way rotary switch built in into original GT6 switch to control it. If anyone is interested I could post some more details.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Cooper Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, mpbarrett said: PS just fitted 2 speed wipers to my Herald (from a GT6), used an Ardunio to power the motor and monitor the park switch, then programmed it to give a couple of intermittent speeds as well as normal and fast. Used a 2 pole 5 way rotary switch built in into original GT6 switch to control it. If anyone is interested I could post some more details.... Yes please! Regards Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Groves Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 On 06/03/2019 at 17:16, mpbarrett said: I am not sure whats in the Smart Screen but it looks like it 'might' work if you connect the W and P terminals across your Herald switch slight assumption they are using a relay here wiper to W, poles to P and SW... Thanks for the replies Mike, but unfortunately this didn't work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Darren Oh that's a shame... But looking at some of the links its looks like this device is trying to almost too clever... and I expect there are using FETs or other solid state switching rather than using a relay. If you cant get hold of the seller what are you going to do? if you want I could have a play with it on the bench but it would be better to get the supplier to sort it out, particularly as there seems to be a few people trying to use it with a single speed wiper. Seems like a wasted marketing opportunity! regards mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Anyone tried one of these? https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/programmable-intermittent-wiper-relay Looks a bit like a rip-off of the Bosch units used in many late 90s/early 00s Audis and Saabs. I did spend some time trying to get one to work with a single speed wiper motor and failed. Not tried with a two speed.... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 I don't think you will get the Smart wiper switch to work with the single wiper motor. The problem is that the single speed switch connects the wiper motor to gnd to make it run the two speed is supplying 12v to make it run. I think the smart switch uses the 12v as a signal to then control the smart switch and then drives the motor directly. So without a lot of rewiring of the single speed wiper you wont be able to get it to work. mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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