Puglet1 Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 My drivers seat touches the B pillar when set fully rearward on the rails (Convertible). I believe the seats are original . I s this normal? Are seats different between a saloon and convertible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Flinn Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 Yes, it is normal for the standard seats to catch the 'B' Post Hood well area when fully back. There have been some opinions posted on here previously regarding the seats being different in the Convertible to the Saloon and I believe handed too, I suppose a Parts book would tell your for sure but I sold mine years ago. I know there are slight difference in the internal construction of the Mk1 and Mk2 seats, which is detailed on the Newton Commercial website. Regards Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puglet1 Posted March 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 Thanks Gary that’s very informative. I’ll take a look at Newtons etc. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 and there is a conundrum with the front pivot bolt positions , does the seat sit properly aligned to the slide when its down not off to one side??? the pivots there are two on each front slide you dont use opposites but off set them two holes on each will adjust the height as well the off set is so the seats tilt and miss the A posts , many are fitted as what seems the obvious but its actually wrong they should be in offset holes which to most of us seem odd there is a reason in general they are always close to the hood surround , so a quick tilt and look one hole uses forward the other more rearwards both in the same height holes yes sounds daft but it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 A post I started about Vitesse seats. https://forum.tssc.org.uk/topic/7239-vitesse-front-seat-2l-mk1-or-2l-mk2-or-saloon-or-convertible/#comment-95359 Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puglet1 Posted March 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 Pete L. That’s very interesting, I know that my drivers seat is set to the upper 2 holes. I shall start experimenting by setting the bolt hole nearest the door panel to the lower hole in the frame to see if the offset allows clearance between the seat and the pillar. Thank you. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puglet1 Posted March 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 Paul. I have just looked at your previous posts. There seems to be several options to look at, thank you for your response. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 there must be a sketch of this odd set up but not looked use the same upper or lower on each side but offset/ oppose the front rear holes to position the seat and its tilt Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Quote Seat Fitting Problems can often be found with seats that have been incorrectly refitted after being removed. There are some minor variations in detail over the models and period of production but I believe the following should apply to all variations. Components and terminology: Seat runners - fitted to the floor, have holes for the adjuster to register in. Subframe - runs on runners, includes adjuster lever on one side only. Has two brackets on the front, each with two holes arranged one ABOVE the other. On one side the bracket is square and straight, and on the other side the holes are set forward, so the bracket is shaped like a B. Seat frame - on which seat is built. Brackets at the front have two holes arranged one BEHIND the other. Fitting: Seat runners should be fitted with holes to the rear, fixed with 5/16" UNF bolts, and with 1/2" spacers (thick washers) under each bolt. Captive nut on turret at the rear is FQ3406 (should be available from the usual suspects). The sub-frames are handed: you should have a pair. They should be fitted so that the adjuster lever and catch is nearest the transmission tunnel. This adjuster should mate with the holes in the seat runner (but won't if the seat runner has been fitted back to front). This ensures that the holes on the bracket on the door side are a smidgen further forward than the transmission tunnel side, i.e. the B shaped bracket is nearest the door. Choose between the high and the low hole on the seat sub-frame. This adjusts rake and/or height (with blocks). Use the foremost hole on the seat frame bracket for the door side (ie the side where the sub-frame holes are further forward) and the rearmost hole on the seat frame bracket on the tunnel side. This means that the seat sits square on the sub-frame. The fact that the pivot point is slightly angled, means that when the seat is tipped forward, the top moves inwards and does not hit the A post/windscreen surround. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 I knew someone could spell this out better ... Thankyou the WSM gives little clues and awfull pictures that do not spell out the rationale behind this fixing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Casper said: Seat runners should be fitted with holes to the rear, fixed with 5/16" UNF bolts, and with 1/2" spacers (thick washers) under each bolt. Captive nut on turret at the rear is FQ3406 (should be available from the usual suspects). I've seen mention of 1/2" seat runner spacers before, but neither my Herald 13/60 or my Vitesse had//have them fitted. My Vit has approx 1/8" thick packing washers under the runners and the fixing bolts are the original items I'm sure. I wonder if it was a design or cost saving change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Ive got the 3 x 1/2" spacers on my Vitesse seats one under each front fixing and one under the outside rear as per the WSM. Without these I would have thought the rails would be slightly uneven and the seats tending to lean outwards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 The spacers help keep the seat runners up off the carpet and therefore help it slide much more easily. You can use washers but I had about a dozen made a few years back, based on these rusty originals, and used them on all my Heralds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 yes or theres plenty of suitable hard plastic spacers available on ebay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Hmm, the plot thickens! Looking at the size of those, would likely make my runner fixing bolts too short? My car had one previous owner. I'm puzzled as to how any mechanic would 'lose' spacers that size during any job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Could be that the later floor pressing (mines a mk1) was slightly different and the seat mounting points were all level so no need for the spacers to even things up. You could check this with some careful measurements and carpets removed but probably not worth it if the seats work ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 From the 2L section of the Vitesse parts manual, parts for 2L Mk2 not in this book. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 So four per car, one on each front fixing bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 well that list, same as the manual, shows 3 spacers (511475) per seat with rear inner (uses a captive nut spire clip) doing without.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Seems like Triumph were after every fraction of seat movement to the rear of the car. Regards Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, johny said: well that list, same as the manual, shows 3 spacers (511475) per seat with rear inner (uses a captive nut spire clip) doing without.... Missed two... but I think I used four on each seat anyway.... this is what was fitted before: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 my parts list shows packing 4 off 605744 in the 1600/2L Mk1 parts list so now there are 511475 with 3 and 4off and 6055744 with 4 off use them all and you cant wear a hat !!!! its a Triumph speciality in the rules of confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Go by the manual, its clear (for once) and makes sense when you look at the spire clip fixing.... Doesnt show any lumps of wood though😁 Edited March 31, 2023 by johny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Well, I'm totally confused now! Anyway, I think I'll get some spacers made, but not out of finest oak🤔😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 me....... i prefer a long bolt through the floor with a large reinforce washer to beef up the floor the idea of a spire clip in a heavy accident doesnt fill you with confidence the seat will stay secure yes i know it isnt locked down and the tilt will catapult you through the windscreen but when you live and drive you need to feel safe ( or safer) and just use as many spacers as needed to stop the carpet bending the runners so you get nice and comfy getting the smile Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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