Kevinrpayne Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 Hi there. The previous owner swapped the oil filter for a spin on one however the orientation of the filter ( at about the 8 o’clock post) has always made it a nightmare to get on and off as I can’t connect an oil filter wrench as the filer fouls the oil pressure relief and taking the old filer off was a problem and i dripped oil everywhere…… As I now don’t have the fuel pump in the way, I thought I could re orientate the whole set up to the 12 o’clock position ( which I have done and access is much better ) and was happy with until No1 son raised concerns that he had never seen another car with an upright oil filter ive looked at the old one and can’t see any reason why it shouldn’t work. your thoughts are appreciated pls regards kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 thats perfect Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 Lots of classic Ferraris have vertical oil filters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 The same as my 1500 Herald position, although I use a modern Mann filter which supposedly has an anti drain valve, doesn`t make any difference, I just spin it over with no choke until the oil light goes out. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 Nothing to stop this working in my opinion as theres plenty of modern cars with a similar arrangement although their paper filter sits in a vertical tube which makes for very easy changes. However the idea of the spin on adaptor was that the filter sits closed end downwards (as much as possible) so always staying full of oil meaning on start up less time is taken filling it before oil gets to the bearings. With this in mind some cartridge filters come with one or even two non return valves (rubber flaps over their inlet ports) which, if mounted like yours, slow the emptying of the filter so its probably recommendable that you use this type.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Steve P said: The same as my 1500 Herald position, although I use a modern Mann filter which supposedly has an anti drain valve, doesn`t make any difference, I just spin it over with no choke until the oil light goes out. You can see at least one of the anti drain valves if you look in the small holes in the base of the filter around the outside of the central threaded exit port. These holes should be blocked and if you gently poke something in the rubber flap that attempts to seal them will push inwards. Of course the downside of these is that they do cause a small pressure drop (no idea how much) so you get less pressure in your system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, johny said: Of course the downside of these is that they do cause a small pressure drop (no idea how much) so you get less pressure in your system... No idea of the pressure drop, (tin hat on) I have the dreaded external oil feed restricted to less than 1mm for the Goodparts roller rockers, it makes 60PSI hot at about 2.5k revs, I use Valvoline VR1 20/50 with an uprated oil pump. S Edited July 24, 2023 by Steve P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinrpayne Posted July 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Thanks all. Much appreciated Steve P what Mann filter did you get? All the ones I can find are not spin on ones thanks kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) I bought 3 for a tenner inc postage off amazon about 3 years ago (maybe not a usual, cheaper price). Apparently?, made in Germany for a Fiat. PN was, W714/2 Edited July 25, 2023 by daverclasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Should do nicely Dave with two non return valves, one as described above and the other in the outlet port to try n hold oil up in the engine oil ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 36 minutes ago, johny said: Should do nicely Dave with two non return valves, one as described above and the other in the outlet port to try n hold oil up in the engine oil ways... Thanks Johny. To be honest, I'm not worried about the orientation of the filter, or the return valves. The car only gets started from cold on average, about once a week (without choke, until pressure builds). My post was to give the Kevin the Mann part no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 I will check when I am at my lockup, mine is fitted to the block with a thread adapter for the Mann one, don`t know which thread your spin on has?. One word of note, the Mann 714/2 was the subject of posts somewhere on here when after an oil change they could not get pressure up. I believe I have read this from 2 people, I had 2 714/2 on my shelf to try on my Vitesse to get less of an angle on the filter as they are smaller, but abandoned the idea after reading this, I stuck with the Fram ones I use, works fine. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 I believe the adaptors for Triumph sixes always use the thread 3/4-16 UNF as this corresponds to the one used in spin on filters for various Rover models (original Mini, Maestro, 200 etc)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Steve P said: I will check when I am at my lockup, mine is fitted to the block with a thread adapter for the Mann one, don`t know which thread your spin on has?. One word of note, the Mann 714/2 was the subject of posts somewhere on here when after an oil change they could not get pressure up. I believe I have read this from 2 people, I had 2 714/2 on my shelf to try on my Vitesse to get less of an angle on the filter as they are smaller, but abandoned the idea after reading this, I stuck with the Fram ones I use, works fine. Steve Yes it was my Vitesse which had serious issues with the Man 714/2 oil filters . Couldn’t get any oil pressure until i removed the filter and back filled with oil . I now use Fram . Currently I can’t find the original post Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Yes I remember that but now wonder if it was due more to the oil pump emptying. If its bottom plate seals well it should stay full of oil indefinitely because its inlet and outlet ports both come in from the top. Then as soon as the pump spins oil should start to flow but if its gone dry this is much more difficult.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 9 hours ago, johny said: Yes I remember that but now wonder if it was due more to the oil pump emptying. If its bottom plate seals well it should stay full of oil indefinitely because its inlet and outlet ports both come in from the top. Then as soon as the pump spins oil should start to flow but if its gone dry this is much more difficult.... I’ve had my Vitesse for 7 years now , changing filter every year . The Man filter was the only time I had issues Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 well it might depend on how long the engine is left without being run? Certainly it looks like the Mann second anti drain valve is a spring loaded affair in the filter outlet rather than a rubber flap like the first and so probably adds even more resistance to the initial fill of the system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 the paranoia about drain backand an odd rattle of journals on cold starts after 50 years is something i dont worry about you cant stop the crank and oil gallery draining by gravity worrying about the filter is only half the job just fire her up let it idle a few seconds and all is well for another 50 years you modern probably does it but with tighter tolerances you dont hear it my advice is dont loose sleep making problems that are not a problem where's me coat Pete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 The filter on my Passat is on top of the engine next to the rocker cover and is fully inverted,never heard any rattles which I suppose is an advancement on a 50 year old straight six.I know which one I prefer though. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 come on don't keep us guessing !!! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Pete Lewis said: come on don't keep us guessing !!! Pete Obviously the Vitesse 2.5, I've owned it since 1985. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: the paranoia about drain backand an odd rattle of journals on cold starts after 50 years is something i dont worry about you cant stop the crank and oil gallery draining by gravity worrying about the filter is only half the job just fire her up let it idle a few seconds and all is well for another 50 years you modern probably does it but with tighter tolerances you dont hear it my advice is dont loose sleep making problems that are not a problem Without wanting to frighten anybody though I would be on the listen out for low level continuous noise from the running engine. I read an article years ago which said if the sixes big ends and mains were replaced at 50 and 70k respectively the crank would last indefinitely. Thats certainly about when Ive found the bearings worn and replaced them, the last time only realising the mains were deteriorating when somebody else pointed out the noise😲 Doing this (plus a new oil pump) has definitely reduced start up rattle and improved oil pressure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinrpayne Posted July 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 Anyone in the market for a pair of Mann 714 - 2 oil filters. I ordered them last night before all the comments came through ! Oh well, will look good in the spares box! kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 just use them and see how they perform Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycouchman_5147 Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 If the spin off oil filter is mounted closed end down would that be OK? On a quick measure (Vitesse Mk 2), it might mean using a shorter filter than the club one. Any issues with that? I wonder whether the 8 o'clock position (where mine is!) is the worst of all worlds as oil is only stopped from draining out if it's mounted as the OP has done. If on a slope, would that negate the anti-drain valves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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