Ryan3202 Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi I have this engine that I’m trying to sell for a family member, can anyone one tell me what car it is from as I’ve also attached the engine id and I can’t find that detonation anywhere any help is much appreciated thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Well it looks like a Triumph engine and 3-rail gearbox but that engine number doesn't fit at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan3202 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 I know that is what’s confusing me from the id numbers I have seen all start with two letters then a series of numbers, was there any exceptions to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Late Sprite engine? They shared with Spit 1500. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Can you get the gearbox serial number ,, might generate e a clue Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan3202 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Is that the serial number? Or just a stamping number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 @JohnD I thought of that but all the references I found suggest 1500 Midgets used Triumph-style engine numbers (FP prefix) @Ryan3202 no, those are casting numbers. The gearbox serial number is stamped on the top face of the gearbox body on the front right corner (where it's not hidden by the top cover) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Most likely Herald 13/60, though mk3 Spit also possible. I suppose early Dolomite or Toledo is possible too. A pic of the front pulley and the sump (front or rear bowl) will provide clues. Could be a 1500 or 1300 from the pics seen so far. 1500 not normally seen with a 3synchro box but not reason to assume it’s a factory combination. That’s not a factory number but a random reconditioners mark IMO. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpingFrog Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 I'd say it's been reconditioned at some point and that number was added then. As Nick said, picture of the crank pulley would help to ID it as a small-crank 1300 Mk3 Spit (FD)/early Herald 13/60 (GE). If it's large crank, you can't conclusively ID it easily (sump could have been changed)... But from the pictures: Fuel pump studs appear to be shorter length (e.g. no spacer). Has an alternator mounting bracket. Doesn't appear to have a tag on back of head gasket (not 100% sure from picture though), so not a recessed block. The gearbox is 3-sync early Spitfire (Mk1-3, not Mk IV 4-sync as I believe that had a round O/P flange) or Herald... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan3202 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Wow thank you all for your help! I will look for the id and take a photo tonight, I have inserted another picture to see if that helps solve the puzzle.... from what everyone has concluded so far I am leaning towards a Dolomite 1300 as I vaguely remember my father mentioning this engine but unfortunately I’m not able to ask him, second question what what is something like this worth as it is not of use to me but maybe someone with knowledge and a need might want it. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Very odd engine mount brackets at the front. OK, I have not seen any like them before. Probably a modification? A picture of the front of the engine,and also the sump from the side. But being honest, head nuts are missing, somebody has been inside the rocker box, so the engine at best needs a complete check over. Value will be somewhat limited.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 No sump breather so it has to be a 1970's 1300 or 1500 engine. If the head is original then it would be a later (1974 on) engine as their is no water plug. Later 1300 head is stamped 1154 and later 1500 head 1155 above the No 3 inlet port. May help. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 It's very hard to say from the top-view photos but that looks like a Dolomite sump. However, it's definitely the wrong gearbox for a Dolomite and, as @JumpingFrog pointed out, looks like the wrong one for a Toledo, too. I'd need to study a front photo to decide whether I agree with @clive on the front plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 As far as I can see the engine has the larger pulley with the advance/retard scale fixed to the tuning chain cover. That and no sump breather indicates a large crank. The gearbox has the square small output flange and no threaded hole or plug on the the cover for a reversing light switch. So yes it looks as if it is an earlier gearbox. Yes it's bits. Like all I wonder what the engine mount is? Maybe it was used in a special. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/be100.htm Possibly originally one of the Austin / MG derivatives? The gearbox may well be a later add-on and unconnected to the original car, unless it's been a block from a similar brand that has been reconditioned for a Triumph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan3202 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Gearbox id is CB276339 can’t get a photo yet but will upload when can, thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 I don't recognise CB for a gearbox. GB would be a Herald 1200 or 13/60, which is what it looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 this is a copy from moss of 1500 midget, the front mounts look similar Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Hmm, could be th e angle of the photo, but it looks slightly odd to me. A pic from the front would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpingFrog Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Pete Lewis said: this is a copy from moss of 1500 midget, the front mounts look similar Pete Engine front plate looks normal to me (both on that Midget engine, and the photos from Ryan). I've checked the Midget parts book and the front plate has the same p/n (215372) as the Triumph one so it can't be that. Anyway, the latest photo shows it has a recessed head gasket and is definitely large crank so Dolomite would fit. Value-wise? Not much I'm afraid. Engine prices vary but £50 would be a good ball-park value, as there are no ancillaries etc. Sometimes they go for more, but usually that's for small-crank Spitfire engines or with ancillaries. 3 hours ago, NonMember said: I don't recognise CB for a gearbox. GB would be a Herald 1200 or 13/60, which is what it looks like. I agree with this, gearbox is from a 1200 or 13/60 Herald and worth maybe £20 - the C must be a badly stamped G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Spitfire/Dolomite 1500 Engine. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Head identification. 1154 =1300 Dolomite. 1155 = 1500 Dolomite/Spitifre. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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