Bordfunker Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I’m with Colin on the confusion, as looking in the club catalogue, the heavy duty UJs look much bigger than the standard ones, both in terms of the width of the central spider, and the bearing cups which are both deeper and a larger diameter. Am I missing something, or do I need to file this under ‘Blonde Moments’, and post accordingly? Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I had a look on the shop website, but only one price quoted there (for the STD quality UJ) and odd as it says greasable but mine are not. Maybe a change? Or they cleared some old stock at the show? Who knows. But if you get the correctnuj, it will fit. Maybe it is just an optical illusion? The proper freelander one certainly looks bigger, but it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 25/08/2019 at 13:07, clive said: No simple answers I am afraid. Ok Clive - so I'll throw myself on the mercy of the forum and wait for the preferred option before committing for four for a Herald. Obviously I want to go for the best and get the longest and most hard-wearing use out of them, so will hold off ordering any until I see what the consensus of opinion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpingFrog Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Colin Lindsay said: Ok Clive - so I'll throw myself on the mercy of the forum and wait for the preferred option before committing for four for a Herald. Obviously I want to go for the best and get the longest and most hard-wearing use out of them, so will hold off ordering any until I see what the consensus of opinion is. You only need two, I wouldn't bother with the propshaft. The standard ones are adequate (on a standard car), they don't take anywhere near the punishment of the driveshafts. We used them on the Herald we drove to Mongolia and back, they outlasted the driveshafts (that's another story). Around 18,000 miles covered with approx 3,000 on some properly bad roads (or just straight up unpaved). Still seemed okay when removed. I didn't buy mine from the club, I got them from LR direct as earlier suggested. Some comparison pictures, rollers are bigger, bearing surface is bigger, weird plastic thrust washer things too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ok - so that identifies the ones I bought a few years back for the Herald as standard, although mine are regreasable. This large bulge on the underside ties in with Andrew's post on greasing UJs; they will only fit in one orientation on the halfshafts as if fitted 90 degrees out you can't get at the threaded aperture to insert a grease nipple to grease them. Don't ask me which orientation they require as that particular car is unavailable to me at present... but no doubt I'll find out the hard way soon with another on-going rebuild. If I want those particular heavy duty ones for both Herald and GT6, they are the Freelander items from LR? The TVF100000 units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 hmmm looking at the LRDirect site now and the Land Rover items are 100 pounds each so maybe I will stick with the cheapies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 And the warranty on the 4 pound one is 2 years as opposed to 1 on the genuine. Although how the warranty works I dont know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Colin. The problem is that the TVF number is used as a generic number. You need to have a look at them, or the box, or rely on something like the lr direct description https://www.lrdirect.com/Parts-by-Model/Freelander-1-Parts/Propshafts/Propshaft-Rear/TVF100000-Universal-joint/?sort=price But the OEM ones there are out of stock. But the cheapest source seems to be my eBay link at £22.50 a pop delivered. Thank you JF for clarification and verification that they are (probably,) as good as you can buy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just done a search; there are two available GKN versions: GKN U050 which appear standard and GKN TVF100000 which are uprated. As you say Clive, it really takes you to read the small print as many CLAIM to be GKN but then state further down it may be an alternative quality replacement and not as pictured. I've found a few genuine GKN versions but postage is a whopping £12.50 from companies such as LRDirect... Paddock spares are cheaper per unit, but they want £16 for postage.... https://www.paddockspares.com/universal-joint-5.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 it gets worse as the GKN website says a U050 (as Colin's pic) is the correct u/j for TVF100000 whereas the HD item is U049 and that doesnt appear in the catalogue.... Need to check that the ebay item picture is actually whats supplied as theres usually a disclaimer somewhere that says 'photo for representation purposes only'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 I will post pics of what arrives from eBay... That should clarify it one way or another. What is encouraging is that some of us are actually bothered about quality, rather than price. In this case the best parts are more expensive (no surprise) but undoubtedly better value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yes please Clive as its one thing paying more for a better quality item and another when you pay more for the same quality one! I suspect that GKN have stopped manufacturing the HD version of this u/j so apart from old stock now the standard one (which may be fine for our needs) will have to be used by all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 On the left, the genuine LR TVF100000 in a LR box. On the right uj from my eBay link, part no TVF100000G (genuine?) Identical, so buy with confidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Clive - Don't want to be a killjoy, but most counterfeits look genuine. Fiona Bruce is making big money presenting programmes about it. Comes down to who you trust and who actually makes it. Back to the same old... is it expensive, is it cheap, is it good. The only way to find out is, as ever, buy one, try it, and wish that 1. You hadn't bothered or 2. Bought a shed load at the same tine because now you know its good, but is it now the same? Drives me nuts. By the way is not the one on the left a GKN51 and the one on the right a GKN 5J ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 They are being sold by a reputable landrover specialist, I suspect because demand from freelander owners has substantially dropped. I have no worries regarding them being genuine GKN. Yes, the numbers are slightly different, something to do with batch numbers? The discussion is more about would they be the proper HD uj or the std grade. They are the HD type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Looking good Clive, just one last thing and I'll be satisfied as Im not quite as suspicious as Badwolf! Are they the bigger diameter under the caps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Clive - Sorry about the suspicious nature, back to the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 I always think counterfeits are only worth making (including all the packaging etc) when its an item with some value AND in high demand. I just cant see it being worthwhile in China or India going to all the trouble of copying something like our u/js just to sell a few of them. Of course I believe sometimes its the actual factory making the originals that makes a few more to sell off on the cheap but in that case your probably getting a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Just looked at the other ujs, they all have different number and letters, so must be batches. I tried to sort some pics, but it all went a bit wrong. As did my digital verniers. BUT the eBay ujs are identical to the one in the LR box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Going back to the dark ages, it was observed that the manufacturers made a set number of units. Hi-fi , radio etc. A well known brand would buy x thousand units and would insist that say 1 in 500 were batch tested. They would be fitted into their custom housing badged packaged etc. The next lot would be batched tested to say 1 in 5000, housed badged etc and so it went on with pretty much the same inerds in differently badged items, some very well known and respected. Eventually the supermarket chains picked up the left overs and badged them in their house colours. It is probably still the same, except the left overs go on fleabay being sold by one company with numerous fleabay identities. Yes I know, suspicious again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Right now that we've sorted out the u/js can we move on to manufacturers of top ball joints with internals that arent made of cheese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Oh lordy me, are they an issue now?? I have a supply of good used ones lurking, guess I ought to hang on to them. A regrease and new boot should see them good for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Maybe I need to spend a bit more on QH items - at least the price difference isnt as great as with u/js and presumibly theyll last longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) I wonder if for general driving, fairly limited miles, we need to view some of these parts as more like service items. Not ideal, though a lot are cheap and when you have to replace, you are so used to the job and the fastenings haven't had time to seize! (apart for example, a clutch thrust bearing which is more time and I would try and get a good one). I guess it's better than having a rarer car (for example a Marina), where I assume a lot of parts are are harder to find/Unavailable?. I do find it frustrating myself, though trying to be optimistic. Dave Edited August 30, 2019 by daverclasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 you need crap parts to feed the china reproduction industry at least you can service most parts on a Triumph . just a chancing if the parts are any good Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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