david lewis Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 hi all, i rang canleys this morning to ask what the wait time for a courier spring which they advertise as available to order but they said that they would have to wait for enough people to be interested for them to order a batch which could take a year !!! apparently they had a batch made last year which all sold so i cannot see why they cannot have a batch made as there is obviously a market for them. they will not order a batch until there are enough orders but people will not order them if they have to wait a year--catch 22 ! sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Cannot you see, David, that's everyone who wanted a Courier spring, at least for the moment now has one? There may be a market in the future, but it is now sated. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 JohnD's negativity aside, I think David's best bet is to contact other Courier owners and try and drum up some interest. How many orders would be enough I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 is there a problem with your current spring .. why not just add a lowering block and see what you get this will improve the camber its a cheap option to make it look squatter and removes the excess unladen positive camber \-/ to more |-| if the spring pad buttons have worn they are available just an idea Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 It's the sense of entitlement and lack of enterprise that annoyed me. 'Canley's won't get me a spring! Boo Hoo!' Have a look here, David; specialist classic car spring maker, BCC http://www.britishclassiccarparts.com/triumph-herald-estate-rear-1959-67-pair-leaf-springs-7239-p.asp Herald Estate Spring (it says spring s, but all the items do) £411 Took me thirty seconds to find. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david lewis Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 i am obviously not as intelligent and humble as you john --please forgive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 £411 ,,,,,!!!!!!! Bespoke one off price ???? Who would love one at that price??? Canley £137 but needs volume ...so bide awhile Why do you really need one pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Never mind the spring or the spring buttons, I need the clamps and bolts that hold them all together... are these readily available for Herald springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david lewis Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 the spring looks really well past its best and takes on a strange curvature at the end i.e droops badly when the suspension is hanging also the back end crashes over bumps even though the shocks are new. i think the spring has had it so if i am to get a new one i might as well go for the courier option as recommended in previous posts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juppy Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 The range of springs supplied by BCC are available through the club shop, they are made in Sheffield, I will also enquire to see if the clamps are available separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 if there's crashing going on make sure the two body bolts euther side of the boot tunnel are tight Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonnett Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Worth contacting Owen Springs in Rotherham. They made my GT6 rotoflex spring and I found them good to deal with and very obliging. Chances are that they have built Courier springs before and could do one for you at a reasonable price. Same with the fittings. Worth a phone call. http://www.owensprings.co.uk/ Another possibility that I have heard good reports of http://www.classiccarwebsite.com/brost-forge-ltd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david lewis Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 thanks john- i will give them a ring when i am back in the uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 HI A query? What is the "Actual" difference between an O-E and a courier Spring? Number of Leaves? Thickness? Curvature? . Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Below, you will see that the Estate and Courier springs were similar, both of thicker leaves, the latter with an extra leaf, and stiffest of all. As long as your fillings are not loose, these are the best for non-Rotaflex, non-swing spring, as the suspension movement will be least. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I uploaded an HTML table that looked perfect in the editing box. It's juts a single column list online. Let's try again, a Word table Still a rubbish list Rich Text Format? Nope. Someone tell me. How do I post a table, so that it stays a table tabulated in columns? It's from a Courier article by John Thomason in 1993, and lists all the rear springs' properties and specs, or most of them. I hope it could answer Pete's Q, and maybe others. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 The courier spring has less arch to it. I fitted one to my herald estate, plus a 1" lowering block at the same time. And removed the front ARB. Car handled brilliantly, much better than with the estate spring. Yet would still carry heft loads (well over 1/4 ton of sand etc) in the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomL Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Hi Clive, I recall you mentioning in another post that you run without the front anti-roll bar. What was your reason for this and what are the characteristics of the car? Regards, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The courier spring stiffness reduces tendancy for body roll , the van never had an ARB fitted its thought that if too flat you get understeer. Fitted a courier and 1" block to my Vit6 after hopeless roll using a swinger kit, so it had the later std bigger dia ARB left on and it was wonderful handling , power round anything with confidence Danny Hopkins of practical classics drove her back from Stafford and had a wide smile, about amazing getting the front and rear toe correct makes serious improvements in any set up Like many things its all down to preference and what and how you want it pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Hi Clive, I recall you mentioning in another post that you run without the front anti-roll bar. What was your reason for this and what are the characteristics of the car? Regards, Tom The car was doing a lot of autotesting and autosolos at the time. Last thing I wanted was understeer. As Pete points out, Triumph never used a front ARB with the courier spring (though possibly/probably because they saved money on something that was "just" a van). And using the logic that a thicker ARB was used with the late spitfires as the swingspring was softer and allowed more body roll, working the other way a stiffer spring needs less front ARB (in my case zero) Should add the front springs were 440lb, so substantially stiffer. Car was never harsh (nor indeed refined!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomL Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Thanks Pete and Clive for your replies. A few years ago I tried out a thicker anti-roll bar on my MkII Vitesse (I pinched it off a Spitfire owning friend) but I didn't notice a great deal of difference so swapped it back. That may just be my Captain-slow style of driving though. I do agree with Pete that front and rear toe set-up is important. I have just this done and it really has made the car feel so much more sure-footed. (I had had it done years ago too, but the car has been off the chassis at least once since then, and things invariably change - so it was long overdue.) Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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