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Darren Groves
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I know this raises it's head every now & then, but looking for a good oil filter. I currently have a Borg & Beck one fitted (can't remember where I bought it) but I think the anti-drain valve has failed or just isn't very good, so don't want another of those.

 

Always used either Fram PH2869 or the WIX alternative before, the Fram one has been discontinued apparently so came across the K&N HP-2004 which it says only fits the 1500 engines, but aren't the oil filters the same for both engines?

 

The K&N filter has a nut on the canister for easy removal.....

 

https://www.knfilters.co.uk/search/product.aspx?prod=HP-2004

 

Darren

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Hello Darren.

 

I can vouch for the K&N oil filters, absolutely excellent. However I'm not sure that the K&N you quote is identical to the Fram PH2869; as indicated here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-Performance-Oil-Filter-Toyota-Jeep-Alfa-Romeo-Fits-Nissan-HP-2004-K-And-N-OE/400993527828?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

 

You may want to consider oil filters made by Mahle, another very good filter - German.

 

Regards.

 

Richard.

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Ive always used club shop filters , never had a problem

 

and as the engines have suffered drain back and survived 40+years its a bit late to worry now

 

the anti drain flap, is a pretty crude device its never ever going to be utopia , it helps

 

One answer is ......use the car more frequently

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Buy four club shop filters, postage the same as for one! As Pete says, a pretty poor mechanism. There was a guy on the old web site who devised a tool to test one way valves, lined them all up on the counter and blew, to see which was the best.

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Hello Darren

                 I made a new adaptor so I could have more selection of filters! I think the one I am using is one John Bonnet recommended (can not remember what it is at the moment will look tomorrow) I think it has double anti drain back seals(I do not seem to have the death rattle so much now and the centre main is still worn)

 

If I think I can make you an adaptor I will but mine is a long one to go through the oil cooler take off.

 

I think I have a standard one somewhere

 

Roger

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Darren, send me a message. Worth a read up of which filters are best, I have just bought 2 from ECP for £6.65 which are double valved. http://www.eurocarparts.com/search/501590199  plus the usual discount. spenda tenner and get free delivery (screenwash? oil? )

The problem is that like so many other parts,the oil filters are just not as good as they ought to be. Buying a mass produced filter that is made to a high standard is an effective way of avoiding the pitfalls of inferior products. 

 

(and the standard filter for a spitfire/herald is 5/8UNF. Not many cars used it, marinas and derivatives, not sure of anything else  3/4 used by ford, VW, and many others) 

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Hello Darren

                  This is the filter I use.

 

Mann W916/1 made in Germany its 95mm dia x 95mm long(same as original) 3/4" UNF

 

I get mine off Euro car spares when on offer about £3 each and free p&p

 

I work on the fact that Mann is the VW, Audi,Skoda, etc supplier?

 

Roger

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Hello Darren

                  This is what you want then you have a massive choice of filters and cheap and it is steel you would not want an aluminium one in the position

 

https://www.flowfitonline.com/hydraulic-qrcs-and-adaptors/male-x-male/nptf-male-x-bsp-male-34-x-58

 

Roger

 

ps I am not trying to make one at that price

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Hello Darren

                  This is what you want then you have a massive choice of filters and cheap and it is steel you would not want an aluminium one in the position

 

https://www.flowfitonline.com/hydraulic-qrcs-and-adaptors/male-x-male/nptf-male-x-bsp-male-34-x-58

 

Roger

 

ps I am not trying to make one at that price

B*****r I misread the sizes sorry

 

Roger

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Roger, I wanted one and found only available in the USA. Postage for 1 was about £10, but playing with numbers meant I could import 20 for £20, so that is waht I have done. Most have now found homes, but a (small) handful left. £4.50 plus £1 for delivery (I am making 2p on the stamp, but have to wrap and get it to the post office!)

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Not the point here I am afraid. 

 

Typically I went through a similar exercise a few years ago getting a good friend to bring some over when he visited. Again I got as many as were available, delivered to him in the USA, and that helped with costs.

 

What I could not believe this time is the import/postage. Each adaptor is 3/4" diameter and 1 1/2"long. And each is in a box 6x4x4", and then 10 of those into a large cardboard box! so £20 got 2 large boxes plus import duty all covered, don't know how they do it!

 

Anyway, the interesting thing as that a small selection of the high quality mann filters have 2 valves, but some are getting expensive now. Users who have tried them are impressed, far better than single valved type (although using an extension pipe in a std filter helps a lot too)The filters I havechosen are the w724/1, fitted to ford 1.6 diesel escorts etc. Based largely on cost! There is a landrover td5 filter that is very similar in size to the std filters, but about twice the cost. Big filter fine with me.

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Not the point here I am afraid. 

 

Typically I went through a similar exercise a few years ago getting a good friend to bring some over when he visited. Again I got as many as were available, delivered to him in the USA, and that helped with costs.

 

What I could not believe this time is the import/postage. Each adaptor is 3/4" diameter and 1 1/2"long. And each is in a box 6x4x4", and then 10 of those into a large cardboard box! so £20 got 2 large boxes plus import duty all covered, don't know how they do it!

 

Anyway, the interesting thing as that a small selection of the high quality mann filters have 2 valves, but some are getting expensive now. Users who have tried them are impressed, far better than single valved type (although using an extension pipe in a std filter helps a lot too)The filters I havechosen are the w724/1, fitted to ford 1.6 diesel escorts etc. Based largely on cost! There is a landrover td5 filter that is very similar in size to the std filters, but about twice the cost. Big filter fine with me.

Hello Clive 

                 I do not need one as I made one to suit the oil cooler sandwich plate.

 

That W724/1 is long the W916/1 is the same length as original just bigger diameter but fits ok on Spitty.

 

Since changing to this one I do not get the start up rattle now(still same knackered engine).

 

I see the one you use has a much higher bypass opening pressure 32psi  compared to 13psi  but I can not see ours getting blocked as we change them every 6000 miles max(but probably much less on average!)

 

Price both the same on eurocarparts(I wait until they have a flash 50% off sale) I bought 3 last time so enough for next year even allowing for a new engine and a early change.

 

I think I paid about £3 to £4 last time so I think cheap for a known quality(VW, Audi,BMW,etc) I do not like the white can type with a stencilled number on the side sold by all the big boys they just look cheap and not made in a proper plant! and just a white box!(Dell Boy?) 

 

Roger

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Exactly.

It may say Borg and Beck on the box, but the company only shares the name, certainly nothing else with original company. Clever marketing, and many seem to be fooled by it. Ho hum.

 

Yes, the higher bypass pressure should not be an issue. 

916/1.....mgb gt !!! interesting, I may have some of those tucked away from when my father had a GT. Though his car had a stack pipe to stop oil draining back.

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Have just ordered 3 of the W724/1, under £5.00 each with free delivery, discount code at top of ECP website gave 35% off.

 

I went for this one as I needed to keep the diameter about the same, anything much wider would foul the coilpack mounting. The length is fine for the Herald, actually will make it easier to remove and fit as it will clear the Alternator with enough showing to get something on it.

 

The B&B filter I have is OK if used everyday, but leave it any longer and you get the death rattle for a few seconds, never had it with any other filter before.

 

Thanks Clive, glad I asked the question before you'd sold all your stock!

 

Darren

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