68vitesse Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Always found a big screwdriver and hammer always worked with a reluctant spin on filter. Bought a spin on conversion for my Vitesse many years ago, pick date 02/08/06 on box never fitted it or had a problem buying original style filters. Is it one of those unnecessary must haves?. The GT6 filter and housing looks the same but GT6 is thinner for some reason, believe it is access. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Had mine installed on the vitesse like this for years with no problems. Goes just below the oil pressure relief valve but with enough room to undo it before hitting the chassis rail, maybe at 7.30 or 8 oclock position. The original filter chamber was just so big and must empty on shutdown (otherwise there would be a lot of oil dumped when undoing it) which of course must take longer to refill on a cold start. OK if your engine and pump are tip top but makes for a painful wait if not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Hi Iain. I'm assuming the can is complete, as it's off a seller Iv'e used before who knows his Triumphs?. Johnny, I always crank without choke, until I get pressure anyway. Even with the spin on I would get rattle, if I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 seal life and fitting problems may be something to do with the made in china super special low life rubber Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Had a spin on filter on my Vitesse since 2009 when the new engine went in,fwiw i use Valvoline VR 1 and Fram filters from an Escort and have great pressure from cold start instantly and when hot.It sits as Johnny says at about 7-30-8 o clock. For removal i have one of these and its a doddle to change: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 so we are in trouble when the clocks go forward !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 No mine moves round on its own on the 31st. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, johny said: Had mine installed on the vitesse like this for years with no problems. Goes just below the oil pressure relief valve but with enough room to undo it before hitting the chassis rail, maybe at 7.30 or 8 oclock position. That's how mine was and found it was a bu**er to get the filter off. It must have been the engine builder who over tightened it. The screwdriver and hammer technique wouldn't budge it. I have changed the filter a few times before and always found it an awkward angle to get much purchase and the three prong tool doesn't have enough room to rotate before it hits something. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I only put a smear of oil round the seal and fit it hand tight (with latex gloves on) and that suffices. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Removed the Mocal spin on filter adaptor from my GT6 and replaced it with an original style bowl years ago (albeit from a Vitesse, not a GT6, so the larger version). I always found I had to remove the adaptor plate to get the spin-on filter off - too much hassle! I understand the GT6 filter bowl was smaller than the Vitesse owing to standardisation for LHD and RHD models - steering column clearance was needed for the LHD cars. Gully 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 they used to have either in fitting instructions or printed on the can spin on by hand and give it 1/4 of a turn Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, Steve P said: For removal i have one of these and its a doddle to change Decision made, I have the bloomin thing so I might as well use it. Going to spin it round to 7.30 and get the clamp tool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 15/03/2023 at 15:42, Steve P said: Had a spin on filter on my Vitesse since 2009 when the new engine went in,fwiw i use Valvoline VR 1 and Fram filters from an Escort and have great pressure from cold start instantly and when hot.It sits as Johnny says at about 7-30-8 o clock. For removal i have one of these and its a doddle to change: Steve, I've put my filter back to where it was as you say 7.30/8 o'clock. Looking at the various clamps some are cranked some are straight. Is your clamp straight as picture? Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Hi Iain, My car is in a lockup about 20 minutes away so i can`t get a picture, but yes i got straight grips, I think from Halfords but memory could be failing. The filter is fitted at as much angle as i could get towards the chassis to allow removal of the filter without disturbing the housing. I can get the grips on the filter to start unwinding it no problem. I guess some filters are longer than others but the ones I use are fine and sit about 45 degrees. As i said I don`t gorilla it that tight anyway as it`s unnecessary. Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 yes theres been discussions on here and elsewhere about different length filters that can be used to allow the adaptor to be as vertical as possible. I seem to remember you can get down to one under 60mm long from a Kubota digger which of course has less filtration area but as some of our cars do only a few hundred miles between changes thats not a problem😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Jeff Bezos is sending me one of his finest filter clamps. Should arrive tomorrow. I went for the shorter 250mm long not 300mm as I thought it may give more room to rotate before I hit something. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) most of the small chassis cars service schedule say change filter every other oil change that halves the struggle that some have !!! Pete Edited March 18, 2023 by Pete Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: most of the small chassis cars service schedule say change filter every other oil change I wanted to change it as I've done nearly 1000 miles since the engine refurb. Why do they make the filter cans with a gloss smooth finish? A textured finish would be much easier to grab and hold!! Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 I checked my grips,Halfords own brand and straight. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, Iain T said: 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: most of the small chassis cars service schedule say change filter every other oil change I wanted to change it as I've done nearly 1000 miles since the engine refurb. Why do they make the filter cans with a gloss smooth finish 24 minutes ago, Iain T said: I wanted to change it as I've done nearly 1000 miles since the engine refurb. Why do they make the filter cans with a gloss smooth finish? A textured finish would be much easier to grab and hold!! Iain Iain, get a filter with flats on it around the end and use one of these. Simples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, trigolf said: get a filter with flats on it around the end and use one of these. Simples! Thanks I've seen the lower black tool. The club and I think most cans have flats at the end I could start a collection of filter tools.....! Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted March 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: most of the small chassis cars service schedule say change filter every other oil change that halves the struggle that some have !!! I've often wondered, if they could go more than that. There won't be that many particles in such low mileage, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 There is supposed to be a risk that the filter internals can disintegrate if used for an excessive time so just on that basis its a good idea to change it. Mind you I dont know if thats true or something invented by the filter manufacturers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted March 19, 2023 Report Share Posted March 19, 2023 18 hours ago, trigolf said: Iain, get a filter with flats on it around the end and use one of these. Simples! That won`t work with the filter angled downwards, much easier to get hold of it with the grips. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted March 19, 2023 Report Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) i have motor cycle chained remover which is easy to fit extention and ratchet driver that does pretty much anything self tightens and takes up little space around the canister then a pair of 16" water pump type pliers (ex Aldi) you can really get a grip with them to undo any gorilla fitted spin on filters Edited March 19, 2023 by Pete Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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