daverclasper Posted September 5, 2023 Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) Hi. Vitesse. With car at rest and steering under load, is a few mm of rack movement normal when steering wheel is rocked side to side? As seen at the bushes to chassis fastening area Ta Edited September 5, 2023 by daverclasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 5, 2023 Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 There is some adjustment in the u clamps and as the rubber bushes wear it would be worth carrying out the procedure as described in the manual. Of course rubber is always going to allow some movement and thats why solid aluminium replacements are sold for those drivers that want a more positive feel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted September 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 Thanks johny. I thought there may be some movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 5, 2023 Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) yes should be movement due to compression of the rubber rather than play. Manual says there should be a gap of 1/8" between each clamp and the corresponding rack locating plate... Edited September 5, 2023 by johny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 If going to solid mount's you will need to fit a piece of rubber with a jubilee clip or similar to retain the small plastic plug. Regards Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 and many alloy clamps do not get anywhere near the rack locating plates they are too thin and rely fully of clamping the tube the small anti rattle plug is located under the n/s rubber mount, fit a thin alloy mount and the plug drops out the tube hence the idea of a jubbly clip to retain it or you get rack rattle on poor road surfaces Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkel Kunkel Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) I put polyurethane bushes in as part of restoration a little while ago. Seem fine but can’t assess fully as only been driven a few hundred yards since… Edited September 6, 2023 by Unkel Kunkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 i think poly are the best compromise and from what ive seen are sized as the originals so rack is firmer and the rack retention plates are in contact and the poly bush holds /covers the anti rattle plug (as long as its not missing ) on the n/s of the tube whats not to like Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I'd agree with poly; I have three or four sets of alloy clamps that I've removed from cars and gone to poly. The alloy can actually let the tube slide about if worn but if good bushes are fitted and pressed outwards during fitting as the manual recommends, there should be no movement. (or very slight if soft rubber) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I have a solid mounted rack and am finding a lot of vibration at the steering wheel. I kept the original steering column joint as I thought a UJ would transfer even more noise and vibration. Of the various colours and hardness is the 'comfort' blue grade OK. To be honest I would probably buy from Chris Witor as his products are generally first rate. Iain PS, I'll look and see where/if I have the anti rattle pin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMi Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I have the solid rack mounts from Moss, which do contact the retention plates. I have no problem with vibrations, though still have a standard column joint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 moss europe show the anti rattle plug as 128001 not many list this little sod Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, DanMi said: have the solid rack mounts from Moss, which do contact the retention plates. I have no problem with vibrations, Mmmm, it may be my column bushes are worn? How difficult are they to replace? More investigations required. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 Found this from Ahebron who was rebuilding a rack:- "took the rack out drilled the anti rattle hole which is 1/4", made a anti rattle pin which is 1/4" dia by 3/16 long (dimensions supplied form Triumphexp)." Is it a dowel pin or can it be soft non hardened steel? Moss Quote NCA (not currently available?) Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, Iain T said: Mmmm, it may be my column bushes are worn? How difficult are they to replace? More investigations required. Iain Dont remember it being a nice job but then I probably didnt have the right technique. They dont seem to last five minutes and I see they now do rather expensive poly bushes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Iain T said: Found this from Ahebron who was rebuilding a rack:- "took the rack out drilled the anti rattle hole which is 1/4", made a anti rattle pin which is 1/4" dia by 3/16 long (dimensions supplied form Triumphexp)." Is it a dowel pin or can it be soft non hardened steel? Moss Quote NCA (not currently available?) Iain Totally lost on this one as Petes 128001 shows as a collar on the pinion at Canleys. Is it 145108 Nylon plug which they do have in stock but which strangely doesnt appear in many of the steering rack diagrams of the various models? I looked for this on a Vitesse rack many years ago and couldnt find it so presumed it was internal and got a complete recon one instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, johny said: Totally lost on this one as Petes 128001 shows as a collar on the pinion at Canleys. Is it 145108 Nylon plug which they do have in stock but which strangely doesnt appear in many of the steering rack diagrams of the various models? I looked for this on a Vitesse rack many years ago and couldnt find it so presumed it was internal and got a complete recon one instead... Yes I think 128001 is a collar not the pin. The nylon plug is just that it's the pin that may be missing but I'll have to take a look first. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 Where does the pin go? The plug, as I understand it, is a guide come damper for the rack and when worn shows as play where the rack exits the outer casing at its nearside end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) oh no I see, theres a sleeve bush 128002 in the nearside end of the rack tube but my manual says nothing about changing it and I imagine it means a complete rack strip down... Edited September 6, 2023 by johny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 Thanks Johny sounds like a job after the show season! Everything works it's just comfort tweaking. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 So whats the pin thats been mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 No idea but its supposed to stop rattle! I've never taken a good look at the rack or stripped one down. I did replace the track rod ends which was a right phaf as the threads where ever so slightly different pitch and bound up😡 Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 I dont think there is a pin and its the nylon plug that is the damper to stop rattle from the rack shaft. Looks like it just taps in a hole in the outer case and is held in place by the rack mount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain T Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, johny said: dont think there is a pin and its the nylon plug that is the damper to stop rattle from the rack shaft. Looks like it just taps in a hole in the outer case and is held in place by the rack mount... Aah mystery solved. However I believe not all racks have it or at least exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted September 6, 2023 Report Share Posted September 6, 2023 yes agree it is just a simple plastic plug held in by the rubber mount its not got any fixing , just adds a little load to the free end of the rack or not if its escaped Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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