PeteH Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Hi. Can anyone confirm the correct location for these:- I think they should be level with the rear trim?. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdv Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Hi Pete, Can measure the position tomorrow. If it is a 1360 there should be two holes in the right place. I assume as you are asking that this is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Weren't they only fitted to convertibles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 10 hours ago, Pdv said: Hi Pete, Can measure the position tomorrow. If it is a 1360 there should be two holes in the right place. I assume as you are asking that this is not the case. No Holes, but I understand that `71 seems to have been a "cut off" year when they stopped fitting them?. Current info would apear to be they are in line with the chrome trim, and about half way between the Filling cap and the Tail light, with the driver side a similar distance?. 9 hours ago, Chris A said: Weren't they only fitted to convertibles? C-V`s and Coupe`s Only, so I am told?. "Plum" is a C-V. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richeee Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 From Mike Costigan,s excellent book. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Stock photo of my car, if you need more detail I'll get a photo with ruler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 (edited) Beware, if you are using 'new' flags you may find that the pin spacing is closer due to the copy casting process. Also, I have noticed that they are often enamelled aftter chrome plating, so that the enamel doesn't bond very well/ C. Edited February 20 by Casper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 51 minutes ago, Casper said: Beware, if you are using 'new' flags you may find that the pin spacing is closer due to the copy casting process. Also, I have noticed that they are often enamelled aftter chrome plating, so that the enamel doesn't bond very well/ C. In My case these are recovered O/E ones, but I have no holes so out out with the drill🤔 1 hour ago, Chris A said: Stock photo of my car, if you need more detail I'll get a photo with ruler I think I have the idea, It`s where I suspected they where so this mornings job👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdv Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Hi Pete, I measured it today and in thr picture from Chris A you will see that although hidden by the flags the holes line up with the trim and the hole nearest the end of the wing is 2 and a 1/4 inches from the end of the fin, this was measured with the V trim taken off. Hope this helps. If my memory serves me right the1360 was not the only car to have them I think the 948 had them. Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) Quote If my memory serves me right the1360 was not the only car to have them I think the 948 had them. See Richees post above. Late 13/60 CVs didn;t have them but I don't know when they stopped. Also fitted to the Vanguard 'Vignale' the Triumph Italia. . As further thread drift I now see that Vignale is now owned by Ford, but I don't think they use crossed flags. C. Edited February 21 by Casper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) 👍 Fitted, along with refurbished Triumph badges. Showing off refurbed overiders and polished alloy fender trims. Pete Edited February 21 by PeteH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Truman Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 In navel terms what do these crossed flags signal, I thought from what I've read previously it was less than flattering to the Triumph marque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 22 Author Report Share Posted February 22 (edited) 21 hours ago, Peter Truman said: In navel terms what do these crossed flags signal, I thought from what I've read previously it was less than flattering to the Triumph marque Victor/Papa (V-P). Independently:- "V" Flown to Request assistance. "P" flown, to indicate all on board ready to proceed to sea. p.s: I had to go online to check as I last did "semaphore" in the Scouts about 65-70 years ago now. Pete Humble apologies gentlemen.😟 Updated: as pointed out below. I got the colours reversed. S (Sierra)= Flown to indicate "I am am procceding full speed astern. P Edited February 22 by PeteH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Sorry, not V/P but V/S. V for Vignali (the design house that Michelotti worked for) and S for Standard-Triumph for whom the design work was for. Crossed flags were displayed on other Michelotti/Vignale designs for various other manufacturers, eg. Masserati,, Lancia, etc. https://www.jensenmuseum.org/alfredo-vignale-life-times/ is an interesting read. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 and now Ford use the Vignale name Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 On 21/02/2024 at 20:43, Peter Truman said: In navel terms what do these crossed flags signal, I thought from what I've read previously it was less than flattering to the Triumph marque Almost as Casper says, but SV for Studio Vignale. They are nothing to do with the Herald's nautical connection (Alick Dick's boat) nor the Amphicar (which didn't have them), nor as some suggest do they stand for 'I am operating astern propulsion' or even 'I am in distress'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Truman Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 That puts any myths to bed!! Thanks ALL, Studio Vignale it is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 Quote Almost as Casper says, but SV for Studio Vignale. I'm not going to die on the beach over it but could you explain why Ferrari and Fiat Vignale designs used crossed F and V, and Masserati work bore M and V crossed flags. Alfa used V and a non-international code saltire. The Vignale Aston Martin design for the King of Belgium had V crossed with the flag of Belgium. Pininfarina also used crossed flags for their designs for car makers. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 So S-V. "Proceeding full astern, with all on board". Sounds just like the woman with a car full of kid`s who reversed out of a Morrison`s parking slot at full tilt and "T-boned" my (then) Fiat Punto!.😭. Any how they look the business now on the rear of Plum and I appear to have them in the correct alignment.👍 So thank you to all "contributers". Now where can I get a Chrome (Locking?) Fuel Tank cap, that fits, the one that came fall`s off for a passtime, and without paying silly money? Only not been lost because it was on a "string" (wire). Thought I had one in my "stash" but cannot find it.😟 Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 They come up from time to time on the bay so keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 5 hours ago, Casper said: I'm not going to die on the beach over it but could you explain why Ferrari and Fiat Vignale designs used crossed F and V, and Masserati work bore M and V crossed flags. Alfa used V and a non-international code saltire. The Vignale Aston Martin design for the King of Belgium had V crossed with the flag of Belgium. Pininfarina also used crossed flags for their designs for car makers. C. Always ready to learn and be corrected, here. Even Graham Robson in his excellent book "Triumph Herald and Vitesse" states: "You get a special prize if you know what the crossed flags actually specify." My 13/60 has them on one side, but not the other... just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris A said: They come up from time to time on the bay so keep looking. Only one listed current NOS. £79.95+ £4.35 P&P?. As we say in Yorkshire "HOW f888888g much". Someone is taking the oracle. And this is not even a locking one!. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116081443779?itmmeta=01HQKE6N6CRYKSYG3KNCFRVS3R&hash=item1b06fe43c3:g:CDoAAOSw7bpkDxaX&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0ENK%2BHTtZ19E%2B8DOx94bJ1dqT9xFaxdvUImQ9ljJUNtJUqPqDEYmWEK9r3zbwEUom7Pc6sFoK1ZvldO96AAIsv20WDe2LQVoC4%2FZYUb6Lb6HC3Ueu8tHFTiL4kEBi3nBqQ2tdX6XRO9WRSHDdFttsYTwexL6qoR6WF09cKHl9w54xhzfUsUuFRaOIMPR6Zz4DQjavkjbhvVMlMA4mtckEmaxaZvisua%2BbjaIMCQxC0%2Bnc5lQF0f2uo7nKbZWvHny%2F8zaBZfYhUYPlEKyOX36JLg%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6bTmu68Yw Pete Edited February 26 by PeteH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 16 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: Always ready to learn and be corrected, Me, too. I have been pursuing the meaning and rationale of the crossed flags for a long time. Increased internet resources have perhaps got me to the end of the search. Now, the M on the bonnet catches . . . . C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Casper said: Now, the M on the bonnet catches . . . . C. I've been told that stands for Michelotti. Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Some disagree https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/hood-latches.699613/ C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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