Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 All. Further to the question on the GT6 mk 3 hazard switch wiring configuration I’ve still got something wrong and can’t work it out. I’ve checked everything and can’t find the error. I should note that I’ve recently changed the loom for a new one and also the switch because a tab on the back snapped off so this is the problem. With the switch wired up as normal and the hazard switch and ignition turned off, when I connect the battery I get the hazard flasher unit clicking and the hazard warning , oil and ignition lights all flashing but the indicators don’t flash When I do engage the Hazard switch the hazard warning , oil and ignition lights go out and indicators flash normally ive tested every combination of power being supplied to the hazard switch, power supply being broken, hazard switch either on or off and indicators either on or off results are in the table attached every time there is an error I’ve shaded the box red anyone got a clue what I do next i haven’t started the car for obvious reasons to have an error on the lights is one thing , to have an error on the ignition current would be another regards kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Are there any in compatibles with the replaced harness? was this all car or just the dash zone Have you checked the earths missing earths cause lots of back feed lighting the unwanted and fuse cap connections always a good source of frustration Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Pete the entire loom was replaced. All went well until the main dash loom was replaced along with the hazard switch earths. Don’t know where to start. Lights and horn work ok. Fuses were lose but I’ve tightened up already. Thoughts? kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 yes deck chair and a beer sounds a less stressed day off. was it the correct loom. did everything match up and connect same as the removed are you chasing your tail when its the harness thats the culprit dont know where to start apart from a full circuit check out Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulfc Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Hi, do you still have the old switch? May help to re-fit it and see if the symptoms are still there - just in case the new switch is duff. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Oh Lord... the memory is failing this morning but I had a fairly similar problem with my first Spitfire way back in the day, something along the lines of: when the left indicator was selected, three flashed; when the right indicator was selected, a different combination of three flashed, and the warning light did something I can't remember... but it was all down to earths at the front sidelight units. I cleaned the earthing points and possibly added new earths, which cured it completely. Check the connections to the rear of the hazard switch too. I know in the past I've wired light switches wrong as the diagram was impossible to follow in relation to the actual wiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomL Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Do the above and perhaps also when you remove the new switch, put it on the bench and test the various terminals with a meter or a simple bulb. Essentially the switch isolates the directional-flasher-unit and switches over to the hazard-flasher unit. There is a link in one of the other posts which shows this in diagram form quite clearly. You will resolve it with a bit of patience, I am sure. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Colin if the Lord helps can you post his phone number ??? then there is the mix and match awfull mix of rear bulb claw holders and mixed bulbs, mixed earths ........... if its got those in the boot Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Yes I thought about the old switch but in the time taken by speedy cables to restore the speedo I stupidly thought I would have a tidy up on the grounds that I’m moving house. I was concerned that I might have the wrong switch because Moss don’t sell GT 6 parts always but I think it must be common with other models and can’t believe that even triumph would have two I think from memory and the wiring diagram that the two circuits should run independently ? If I take off both the light green/ pink input and light green/ green and see what happens ? I can kinda understand some of the circuit but don’t really get how, when the direction switch is closed to saw the red green link, how does the direction indicator lamp earth out to work ? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: Colin if the Lord helps can you post his phone number ??? I don't phone, we just chat, at least I think it's HIM as I get answering voices and it doesn't sound like the cat. I've asked my alternative personality and he says it's not him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 You need help... but don't we all. My 'voices' will come courtesy of the 42 bottles of beer that I've just bottled (see thread elsewhere). Well, its too hot to do much else and the thoughts of drinking it while the weather is still nice were just too much to resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Ok so I’ve spent the afternoon taking the dashboard back out to test continuity of pins etc see image below I’m note sure the switch is correct test results as attached as I understand it, when the switch is in the off posn( ie hazards don’t work) then 7&8 should be joined but none of the others should be. On my switch when in off mode, points 3,4,7&8 are all connected. I think this means we have two lives going to the switch and when the ignition is off, the live from the flasher unit is earthing out through the oil and ignition lamps when in on mode pins 123&4 all connect which is I think correct thoughts anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Which coloured wire is connected to which terminal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Pin 1 = green red from indicator bulb pin2= green white from indicator bulb pin 3= light green pink from the hazard flasher unit. This one should be permenantly live pin 4= light green green that goes to the hazard warning light pin 7 = light green slate that goes off to the indicator flasher pin 8= green is the switched live that comes from the ignition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 That looks almost right but something's up with 3 & 4 being connected when off. The correct function of that switch is: OFF: 7 & 8 connected, all others open ON: 1, 2, 3 & 4 connected, 7 & 8 open I don't think pin 3 should be "permanently live" but rather the other side of the flasher it connects to should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Quite. I think your right personally but don’t have an alternative switch yet to test the theory think it’s worth the risk to order one however thanks kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 When you take the switch apart then there is no way thar 3&4 will ever be separated from each other. There is a common copper strip that goes over both. Im confused, I can’t believe the switch is wrong, I’m just doing something very wrong kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Why not cut the link and re test before you spash out on another switch Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Kevin.payne.15 said: When you take the switch apart then there is no way thar 3&4 will ever be separated from each other. There is a common copper strip that goes over both. Im confused, I can’t believe the switch is wrong, I’m just doing something very wrong What is the origin of this switch? If it's a reproduction, not a genuine part, then I'm quite prepared to believe it's simply wrong. I'd test the one on my GT6 but it's such a pain to get access to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Source is rimmer but manufacturer is unknown. It’s sold as a Lucas i absolutely agree it’s a pain. Don’t worry about stripping out. I ordered a replacement for tomorrow thanks kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ok guys I’m completely flummoxed now I’ve splashed the cash with mr Rimmer and had delivered a switch that has exactly the same connectivity as the one I fitted a few weeks ago now it’s entirely possible that there is a bad batch but I rather expect it isnt what I have is that pins 3&4 are always connected which explains why the hazard light is on constantly rock the switch one way and 3&4 connect to 1&2 switch it the other way then 3&4 connect to 7&8 im lost , anyone got a better idea than taking up Gin? kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 as You now have two switches why not cut the link , you can always resolder if its wrong pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.payne.15 Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Well I can but it kinda defeats the object. And I’m desperate to refit the switch and dashboard as I’ve got to put the car into storage I was really hoping to find the switch in error but having two the same is the bugger regards confused of Bristol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Now, I know this is a spitfire wiring diagram so may be wildly out, but this does show two terminals joined with an external wire - is it just that your switch has the link internal?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 In this case the pins 1 and 2 closed when the switch is off (starting with one on the solid green and working clockwise) and the others look to be open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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