Pete Lewis Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 My C3 Aircross auto has SS and its instantaneous cant say it saves much and gives the minutes of shut down for each journey Cant be bothered to turn it off , as involves wandering around the touch screen , worse than using a phone Same applies to lane departure warnings that has to be turned off but thats just a button , i dont wander all over the road but its Over sensitive and beeps and flashes with normal driving deviations As for touch screen driving please Bring back knobs and levers you can use blindfold Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Pete is your car auto or manual? i ask because I hired a minibus a couple of years ago and it had ss and was manual. That actually worked well because it does nothing until you go into neutral and declutch. So at a junction you are in gear and have the clutch down and can go when the gap appears. In an auto the engine stops and takes 1/2” to Start before you can go. Not only that I worry that the constant ss will ultimately knacker the engine or starter. Probably not within warranty so the manufacturer doesn’t care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Oh and I think it’s Hyundai or another similar manufacturer is making sure the engine stops in a certain position and when it comes to restart - it injects fuel and adds a spark and it restarts. Now that is quite clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Anglefire said: Oh and I think it’s Hyundai or another similar manufacturer is making sure the engine stops in a certain position and when it comes to restart - it injects fuel and adds a spark and it restarts. Now that is quite clever. Somebody on here attributed that to Mazda but I have reason to suspect Audi do it. You need a GDI engine for it to work and it's next to impossible to guarantee the angle of the crank at stop so the software needs to be damned clever to compensate for whatever you discover it is. Assuming you can even measure that, which requires a special crank sensor as the normal ones won't reliably tell you. And even then, making it work isn't as easy as you might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 My C3 aircross is a 1200 3cyl automatic . sh1t of a shovel goes like fury, im sure the starter is a belt drive from a super priced alternato/dyno start or such like start and go is instant , blink and youre gone , silly thing would take on anything and win , amazing , its not that clever at MPG ,dont get owt for nowt they say overall town and country average is around 37ish. thats with pedal ,,to the metal mostly for the fun. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Anglefire said: That actually worked well because it does nothing until you go into neutral and declutch. So at a junction you are in gear and have the clutch down and can go when the gap appears. My Yeti has this type of system so it is "sort of" switchable. Also, it doesn't do it every time either - if electronics think it needs to stay on to keep car cool/hot, charge battery, make coffee or what ever . . . . Where I live and my normal routes it is very rare it is used. The first time I drove a car with SS was a hired Passat automatic, the first time I stopped was at pedestrian lights so the engine cut out. PANIC! took my a second, ok 2 seconds, to realise what it was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 this rolls on to automatic electric hand brakes, my picasso had one , turn the engine off it auto applied the handbrake, but does not on stop start when there were often times you felt it should do youre out of gear engine is cut , and its foot brake or you apply the HB this .seemed mixed up logic, one odd thing with Citroen SS is open a door or release a safety belt and it cranks the SS engine back to life . thats disconcerting. as an auto gets its creep back. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Mazda : http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/technology/env/i-stop/ Audi: starter motor John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 That's what I read too John - just couldn't remember where!😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Still not changed the battery as during the recent cold spell, minus temperatures, no messages about low battery. A meter shows a reading of just over twelve volts which is a bit low. One thing to be careful of on a battery suppliers website if I put in cars registration number it suggest a different battery than if you enter the model and engine. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 19/01/2019 at 11:51, Pete Lewis said: this rolls on to automatic electric hand brakes, my picasso had one , turn the engine off it auto applied the handbrake, but does not on stop start I drove Vauxhall Insignias for a time and they had electric handbrakes; easy enough to master but I always felt that there were times I'd like to have the flexibility of a manual lever, rather than a small switch. I prefer to be a driver rather than a passenger with a steering wheel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Also prefer manual handbrake in my modern if you stop completly using the footbrake, not drift to a stop, brake is applied auto release on moving off. On hill starts problem is as soon as you touch the accelerator brake comes off, the other annoyance when parking if you undo seatbelt or open door to check position brake is applied. When changing rear brake pads you have to ask the computers permission then tell it when finished, who's in charge?. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I remember those Spinning Jenny's, we soon sorted them out! db 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 My bmw has an epb - its an auto, so apart from parking up rarely gets used - though it does also a selectable auto hold feature - if you come to a stop n the brakes it applies the hand brake - pull away it goes off. Annoyingly it keeps the brake lights on - a safety feature apparently - but not shared if you apply it yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 My Jaguar has an epb. Initial I was fascinated but now I know I don't have touch it , the car's brain does it all, what's not to like? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Epb in an auto fine only two pedals uphill start in a manual with epb you run out of feet. But then I live in Norfolk so not many steep hills as Noel Coward said "very flat Norfolk". Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 That's why they (well most I would have guessed!) have auto release on the hand brake - it was definitely there on the Land Rover Discovery 3 which came out in 2005 - nearly 3tonnes of car and a manual EPB would have been a right challenge - especially off road climbing up hills (Auto doing that is a piece of cake!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: the car's brain does it all, what's not to like? Doug Fine if you want to be a passenger; I'd like to think we're mostly drivers here who enjoy driving. Some of these mods mean you might as well be sitting in a train. It'll be a small step till someone reckons the car's brain is smarter than humans, so they'll take away any notion of driver judgement, and make us drive as THEY feel we should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Colin. It’s coming. Driverless cars are in our future. Not sure when as they have to get over the morel decisions of who to kill in a no win situation. (The person on the path or head on into the car coming the other way 🤔 for example. ) i agree though that driving moderns are a little boring and soleless. My Bmw is a lovely car to drive when pressing on ( 258bhp, bags of torque, handling that makes a sports car hang its head in shame ) but it is totally soleless otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: I'd like to think we're mostly drivers here who enjoy driving. Some of these mods mean you might as well be sitting in a train. Are you suggesting I don't like driving because I like EPBs? Most of use on here have a modern, they are bought for very different reasons than our Triumphs. I bought the mobile armchair to drive the 400 miles to my mother's house in comfort and incidentally, for half the price of the train journey. I wouldn't do it in a Triumph, I didn't like doing it in a Peugeot, exhausting. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I had a 89 Citroen XM bit like a space ship in its day, had a foot operated park brake So you got 4 pedals, stopping on a hill find a gear , attack the foot park pedal, get the foot braken first then throttle, the park was fly off on a button on dash , so it was fine if you could play an organ Electric park one would have saved tying feet in a knot Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 09/02/2019 at 15:53, dougbgt6 said: Are you suggesting I don't like driving because I like EPBs? Most of use on here have a modern, they are bought for very different reasons than our Triumphs. I bought the mobile armchair to drive the 400 miles to my mother's house in comfort and incidentally, for half the price of the train journey. I wouldn't do it in a Triumph, I didn't like doing it in a Peugeot, exhausting. Doug You wouldn't drive too far with the EPB on.... You're right, Doug, we've all got moderns but the problem is that they're becoming TOO modern. I'm the same as you, I drive a modern to shows on the mainland as 400 or even 700 miles is too far in an older car, and besides the modern has more boot space for spares. What DOES worry me is the green lobby - those who cycle or walk everywhere and so have decided that the car is a monster that needs banned, as soon as; the Government is also pandering to these types by banning the sale of new cars from the near future without having a viable replacement. The general aim seems to be to restrict the motorist by whatever means; restrict how fast we can drive, restrict where we can drive, and now it's getting to the stage where they're restricting how we can drive, by effectively making a machine, controlled by someone else's programming, to do a lot of it for us on the grounds that it's somehow safer. Drivers have never been so isolated from the road, cocooned in machines that control the temperature, nestle them in armchairs and barely prevent them from falling asleep while their iPods sing them a lullaby. I find that far more dangerous than an alert driver being in control of his car, but that's what they're trying to eliminate, and for all the wrong reasons. It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy - they'll take away more and more driver control, then take away cars from the individual on the grounds that they're no longer sufficiently qualified to drive something that has more controls and sensors than a jumbo jet used to. And on THAT note: I'm off to watch the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted February 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Goverment is all about control, they want you to do as your told, think as your told and travel under their control. All because they say it is safer. Didn't the soviets say the difference with the west was we thought we were free they knew they were not. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglefire Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 I watched a program last night where Tristan Farnan and James Herriot drove from London to Lands End in a Morgan 4 4 - the number of deaths on the roads now compared to the 60's was 8x less but 15x more cars on the roads. In fact the number of deaths on the roads was 5x more in 1926 than 2012! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/annual-road-fatalities I'm all in favour of using technology to make things safer - but as already said, cars now are so comfortable and easy to drive that it is hard to concentrate as you are driving well within the limit of the car, and have little to do apart from steer - and even that is assisted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted February 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Don't more people die in accidents in the home, trouble with statistics is they can be made to prove what you want. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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