avivalasvegas Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Heard back from Dale today. "I have had a good look at the brakes now and can tell you that the OSR wheel cylinder is seized solid, doing nothing and has been like that for some time! The NSR cylinder is weeping and so we need 2 new cylinders and the cable is over-adjusted, kinked and has the pull off spring holders on the wrong way round (as is 1 internal spring) and the rear brakes themselves are under-adjusted, so that all needs sorting out too. For now I have cleaned the rear brakes up and keyed the surface of the drums, reassembled and moved on to the front where I have freed off the pistons in the OS caliper which were causing it to bind, cleaned up the calipers, fitted the Mintex pads with the correct pins/shims as supplied inc drilling out the pin holes which were the wrong size and grinding down the pad backplates to allow them to be fitted (they are not Vit/GT6 pads), applied the CeraTec coating and renewed the fluid which was as old as the hills. Unfortunately the stub stacks you have supplied will not fit inside the air filters on the car. This is because the filters are offset (eccentric) compared to the carburettor intakes and being quite large the stub stacks sit where the filter needs to be preventing reassembly. It will be necessary either to fit the smaller stub stacks I have or to replace the air filters with central (concentric) ones. Let me know what you want to do and then I can get on with sorting the breathing/tuning out I will repair the clutch master cylinder which is leaking and renew the fluid there too" I've decided to replace the filters. Hugely relieved the brake issue was obvious and clearly something that was neglected. Is there a preferred manufacturer for brake cylinders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Rimmers and Paddocks still stock them, Canleys surprisingly "no longer available" around £10 each Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, avivalasvegas said: fitted the Mintex pads with the correct pins/shims as supplied inc drilling out the pin holes which were the wrong size and grinding down the pad backplates to allow them to be fitted (they are not Vit/GT6 pads) Not keen on incorrect pads being made to fit by grinding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: Not keen on incorrect pads being made to fit by grinding... Those were the same pads (£45 on ebay) I was told to purchase earlier in this thread so was surprised to learn that they needed grinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, avivalasvegas said: Those were the same pads (£45 on ebay) I was told to purchase earlier in this thread so was surprised to learn that they needed grinding. Type 16 calipers, unfortunately, come in a few subtly different varieties. The most common pads are the Ford version metric ones, which nearly fit a GT6 but not quite, The holes are too small for the pins and one edge is a bit too fat to fit in right. I imagine this is what Dale refers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, NonMember said: The holes are too small for the pins and one edge is a bit too fat to fit in right. I imagine this is what Dale refers to. So the caliper is not assymetric, and one pad needs to be smaller than the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: So the caliper is not assymetric, and one pad needs to be smaller than the other? I think it is the backing rather than the friction material? I luckily have the GT6 metric calipers. The early imperial pads fit, but the pin holes too big. Differences are small though. And I though the metric pads did fit the early calipers, nobody has mentioned the grinding issue before. I need to recheck my imperial pads at some point. I am sure they were a good fit, and I was going to make bushes to take up the bigger pin holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Ah.. I read Rob's post incorrectly; I thought he meant one edge as in only one was the wrong size, but it's one edge / side of each pad ie the backing. Got it now. Still not good, tho, if they're being sold as suitable for our cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: Ah.. I read Rob's post incorrectly; I thought he meant one edge as in only one was the wrong size, but it's one edge / side of each pad ie the backing. Got it now. Still not good, tho, if they're being sold as suitable for our cars. They are not being advertised as suitable. But have been used for years as they fit (or as it now appears, nearly fit!) The pin holes were the known issue. But until teh TSSC and a couple of specialists satrted selling 1144 pads, the metric MGB633 were the only viable option. And as above, a direct fit to the late Triumph metric type16 caliper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, clive said: as they fit (or as it now appears, nearly fit!) As I recall (I've only hit the problem once, a while ago) it's a very marginal difference, so you'd easily put it down to poor tolerance or build up of crud or what have you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 hours ago, dougbgt6 said: Rimmers and Paddocks still stock them, Canleys surprisingly "no longer available" around £10 each Doug Is Trupart superior to the options available on those websites or are they the same? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-SPITFIRE-III-IV-1500-HERALD-1200-GT6-I-II-GIRLING-NOS-WHEEL-CYLINDER-x-2/264978137441?hash=item3db1ed8161:g:D-4AAOSwcUBfZk-S vs. https://www.jamespaddock.co.uk/wheel-cylinder-mk11-models-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 there is a problem with NOS rubber being well past its designed ...sell by date sure it may be to a better quality than some new copies with mickey mouse rubbers but its the conundrum we are in just give the seals a careful look for lip flatening or degradation Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 And I would buy from Rimmers or Paddocks, always wary of Ebay regarding classic spares. R & P & Canley have turnover and do respond to complaints. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Noted. Dale's been busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Steadily getting it back to original. Note, MED short stubs are gorgeous but the vacuum hoses not yet hooked up. Wanted to share the revised carb setup regardless. Hopefully, we can get the idle to settle down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Next time the seats are out, get a rubber boot on the handbrake. Make it look 100 times better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, thescrapman said: Next time the seats are out, get a rubber boot on the handbrake. Make it look 100 times better. You mean this ? I believe I had a leather boot on there but you're right - the rubber looks more built for purpose. I'm also going to need the metal clasp that fastens to the edge of the gear shifter leather boot, connecting the boot to the shifter. No idea where I'm going to be able to find one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 what happed to the armrest and HB gaitor ????twas there earlier ???? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: what happed to the armrest and HB gaitor ????twas there earlier ???? Pete It's going back in, don't worry. I've also found a blanking plate for the gauges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, avivalasvegas said: You mean this ? I believe I had a leather boot on there but you're right - the rubber looks more built for purpose. Yep. it is stapled to a bit of cardboard that in turn is screwed to the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Received my final bill from Dale today. Ouch! Good news is that the high idle and rich running issues were solved by the distributor being set correctly (it was set at 46.5 degrees). I haven't driven the car now but am told that it brakes, steers and accelerates like a GT6 should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Yikes! Where are the K&N filters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 just £156 worth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Dale's reputation is excellent, so I'm sure your GT6 will have been transformed. All you need is some better weather and a legitimate reason to go out and drive it! Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avivalasvegas Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Nigel Clark said: Dale's reputation is excellent, so I'm sure your GT6 will have been transformed. I have no doubt. I'll reserve comment till after I drive the vehicle but at this stage, I would not describe Dale as inexpensive. Hopefully, the end result will represent good value. Are other well known Triumph specialists out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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