bodger Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Hi all a question. As I don't have a servo is it worth fitting .I'm fitting 1144 pads in front and have sorted back brakes .thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Mr B, Some love 'em, some hate 'em! I love 'em! A common response is "it won't make braking any better." But that depends what you mean by better, it certainly won't make you stop any faster, but it will make it easier and more like a modern. You won't get that OMG! What's happening?!! moment when you jump from your modern to your classic. I would go for a Lockheed type, the old Girling used on Triumphs is not so good. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Since moving from cheap £10 pads to 1144’s in my Vitesse she stops now 🤗 Though follow the instructions on how to bed them in Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Hmmm another personal taste question. Well, how strong are your legs and how adaptable are you to altering your pedal pressing from modern car to old? Will other people, inexperienced with the car, be driving it occasionally (possibly the most important factor)? I personally like the brakes without servo assistance (but that might change as I get older) as I find the braking more controllable and, as theres no ABS, easier to avoid skidding. If you do fit a servo there will probably be more brake pedal travel due to having to move more fluid so a larger bore master cylinder might be advisable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodger Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: Mr B, Some love 'em, some hate 'em! I love 'em! A common response is "it won't make braking any better." But that depends what you mean by better, it certainly won't make you stop any faster, but it will make it easier and more like a modern. You won't get that OMG! What's happening?!! moment when you jump from your modern to your classic. I would go for a Lockheed type, the old Girling used on Triumphs is not so good. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodger Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: You won't get that OMG! What's happening?!! moment when you jump from your modern to your classic. Or, as has happened to me, the other way round when the modern stops so suddenly you think it is going to boot over bonnet 🤬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, johny said: a larger bore master cylinder might be advisable.... Good point. When swapping mine to a Lockheed I had some problems and suspected the master cylinder. I fitted a smaller version used on previous models without servo and got a further 2" of travel. Also should have said 11/44s well done, you will notice a great improvement! Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Why the big difference in price for Servos Rimmers say £100 and Canleys £220 . What’s the best ratio ? Canleys being 1.9 to 1 Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I would guess one is a genuine Lockheed unit (if still produced) and the other a copy that are also available on ebay down to about 60quid incl del. That seems to be the recomended boost although again its down to personal preference as theres 1.65 and 2.3 ratios also available - have to see if theres physical differences in size but I think I read the ratio is determined by the piston bore rather than the diaphragm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I have a Powetune 1.9 to 1 in my Mk1 2L Vitesse, told it was a Taiwanese copy of a Lockheed unit, for some years and would not go back to unassisted brakes. Used the original master cylinder and did not drill any extra holes in manifold or body to fit so easily reversable. Regards Paul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodger Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Hi paul were did you get it from? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 TRGB Somersham, but it was a good many years ago, don't want to restart another discussion but always used with Silicone brake fluid despite what the instruction book said. The manifold connection uses 16mm banno fittings of eBay. Regards Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 They just keep on coming down in price! This 1.9 unit is 51.59 delivered on ebay and they all look to be the same.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I bought mine off Ebay and eventually I had to take it apart because it didn't work. One of the airways in the vacuum chamber was blocked and the one-way valve was leaking. I cleaned up the airways, put on an external valve and all OK. Beware cheap Chinese copies assembled by 5 year olds! Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: I bought mine off Ebay and eventually I had to take it apart because it didn't work. One of the airways in the vacuum chamber was blocked and the one-way valve was leaking. I cleaned up the airways, put on an external valve and all OK. Beware cheap Chinese copies assembled by 5 year olds! Doug The £50 EBay servos will be the same source as Rimmers £95 servos ? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Paul H said: The £50 EBay servos will be the same source as Rimmers £95 servos ? Paul I think so. All "branded" Powertune. I have one on my Toledo, works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 That is the question... But going by other mark ups Ive seen on their stuff it wouldnt surprise me - in fact thats actually quite a reasonable price for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 In my opinion our cars do not need a servo. I think for the weight of our cars and the speed we do a servo not required. I like my cars as near to original as can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Andrew said: In my opinion our cars do not need a servo. I think for the weight of our cars and the speed we do a servo not required. I like my cars as near to original as can be. Did you say speed? (this was genuinely on the autobahn.) But probably more important than a servo are decent quality pads, which if you discount NOS asbestos pads means mintex 1144 or ferodo ds2500. But beware originality as some "standard" parts are now incredibly poor quality so best to substitute a modern alternative. Coils being the current issue it seems. However, I appreciate a servo makes sense for some people either though leg strength or making the car easier to drive and not a chore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 4 hours ago, bodger said: .I'm fitting 1144 pads mintex bedding.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, Andrew said: I like my cars as near to original as can be. That's a risky thing to say, around here... you're a Luddite / dinosaur / dangerous / backward looking / uncaring / selfish stick in the mud, like me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodger Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Hi Colin I will fit the brake pads first then go from there thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 54 minutes ago, Andrew said: In my opinion our cars do not need a servo. I think for the weight of our cars and the speed we do a servo not required. I like my cars as near to original as can be. Late GT6 mk3 had a servo as standard. Earlier models had them as an option. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Colin Lindsay said: you're a Luddite / dinosaur / dangerous / backward looking / uncaring / selfish stick in the mud, did you call ???? Ha !! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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