cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 And another thing, I believe it was assembled incorrectly. After the hub came off there was the back plate, then a gasket, then the grease trap followed by the seal housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, johny said: I was going to say maybe a winter job and enjoy the summer but if the Persuader has to be returned I suppose its best to use it now. However if you need a second shaft will it be easier to get the cost authorised by the 'accountant' by waiting a while😂 I divorced about 15 years ago and subsequently re-married, since when I have done my own "accountancy" 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, cliff.b said: I believe it was assembled incorrectly. yes bearing , seal housing, then back plate then overspill catcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 well 19 minutes ago, cliff.b said: And another thing, I believe it was assembled incorrectly. After the hub came off there was the back plate, then a gasket, then the grease trap followed by the seal housing. so the grease trap was between backplate and bearing housing! Ha wouldnt have thought thats possible😂 Yes perhaps best to look at other side without delay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 From my Vitesse WSM. Regards Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, johny said: well so the grease trap was between backplate and bearing housing! Ha wouldnt have thought thats possible😂 Yes perhaps best to look at other side without delay.... Yes, and I want to see if that stopped it working properly. Certainly no grease came out of it when I was trying to put more in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Looking at it Cliff are you sure about the grease trap positioning as it would be partially crushed if bolted between housing and backplate? However as discussed the grease should come out of the shaft seal but as your bearing ran so hot a lot of grease had probably been lost and then it would take a lot more grease to refill the chamber... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 there is a problem with many techy illustrations in Parts and WSM that have all the right parts but not always shown in the right order (who said that ) all my manuals and parts lists show the back plate it is sandwhiched between the oil seal hsg. and the outer grease catcher im also puzzled how that all fits its been a good few years since i did one Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 45 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: there is a problem with many techy illustrations in Parts and WSM that have all the right parts but not always shown in the right order True, but in this case the illustration is correct (well, apart from implying the bearing is outboard of the gasket but since it fits through it that doesn't matter much). I, too, cannot see how it would fit the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, johny said: Looking at it Cliff are you sure about the grease trap positioning as it would be partially crushed if bolted between housing and backplate? However as discussed the grease should come out of the shaft seal but as your bearing ran so hot a lot of grease had probably been lost and then it would take a lot more grease to refill the chamber... When I removed the back plate the gasket, the grease trap & the cover came away stuck to the back of it and had to prised off with a screwdriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Strange! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Should this inner seal go in until it's flush, or us that it? Doesn't seem to want to go in any further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 should be about flush is there the remains of some previous seal holding you out or the needle roller cadge is not seated or its too long Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: should be about flush is there the remains of some previous seal holding you out or the needle roller cadge is not seated or its too long Pete It looks like it's butting up against the ridge of the needle bearing housing. Does this look right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 The manual shows quite a bit of seal sticking out and itll only go in up to the shoulder in the housing.... hub.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, johny said: The manual shows quite a bit of seal sticking out and itll only go in up to the shoulder in the housing.... hub.pdf 551.28 kB · 2 downloads Yes, it says the recess is 1/2" and the oil seal is 5/8" so it would prodtrude at least 1/8". This is slightly more than that. I will take another look tomorrow and see if it will seat any further. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 no the half inch is how far the needle bearing is pushed in so the seal goes in less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Remember as the manual says trailing lips of the seal outwards from housing and dont bash it too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, johny said: no the half inch is how far the needle bearing is pushed in so the seal goes in less... I suspect it's fully in then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 I meant to say earlier, I found very little evidence of the needle bearing, about 6 needles in various places. I assume the rest made a bid for freedom along with the grease 🤨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratton Jimmer Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 14/06/2022 at 14:46, cliff.b said: By the time you changed yours, would you have been able to hear it with the roof down? You could hear it with the roof up or down. Jacking the wheel and rotating it by hand You could feel the grating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Stratton Jimmer said: You could hear it with the roof up or down. Jacking the wheel and rotating it by hand You could feel the grating. As you will have seen, things have moved on now. The ball race is destroyed, most of the needle bearing has disappeared and the drive shaft is trashed. Consequently, I am really surprised that there was so little noise. Could just about hear it with the hood up and not at all when down. I'm glad I investigated further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratton Jimmer Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 A classic case of a stitch in time! Well done Cliff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 Yes. It goes trunnion housing with ball race, thin gasket, the seal housing in your picture, brake backplate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff.b Posted June 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 More questions. Just fitted a new UJ into the yoke of the new shaft and it seems very tight to move. Is that to be expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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