Graham C Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 Good, you should be 😀😀😀 Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Final update from Bernard Hi Kelvin, The new petrol pump was fitted and the connections made. Using the priming lever I attempted to pull through from the tank ( I had tested the pump before installing it and it sucked well). No fuel would pull through. Pressure was applied at the fuel filler, but still no fuel would pull through. I removed the pump and cranked the lever that the camshaft operates and eventually fuel flowed. I tried the priming lever again and fuel flowed, I have had issues in the past with pumps struggling to draw fuel until they are full and I can only conclude that it is the thinner ethanol fuel. I re fitted the pump, operated the priming lever and fuel flowed up to the disconnected carb union. The carb was connected and the engine was cranked over, it would not start, I tried altering the timing and was just about to fit points and condenser so that I could set the timing statically when the engine fired. Between trying to get the engine started I was having to fast charge the battery as it was going flat very quickly. After another charge and with my jump starter, the engine fired and idled. I set the timing and turned the engine off. I tried to re start it, but the battery was flat again. After a few tests with my meter I could only guess that either the battery, the starter motor or both were at fault. The starter motor seemed to be drawing far too much current ( a guess ), so I acquired a good used replacement (£35) and fitted it. The engine started and ran well, I turned the engine off and re started it many times and it started and rean well each time. I will see if it starts tomorrow morning, if it does the car is ready for picking up, but I STRONGLY advise an oil and filter change (which I can do if you want). There is no antifreeze in the cooling system which I can add if you want, or you may want to wait a few days to ensure it doesn’t leak. The head will also have to be torqued down and the valve clearances re set after 500 miles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham C Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 It really is fighting to the end. At least Bernard has numerous tricks up his sleeves to win. Hopefully you will get many miles driving without further problems. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I bloody hope so Graham. Credit card is being used for these repairs. I'm on the bones of my arse here lol .. no Christmas for us this year. But I always bloody hated Christmas anyway. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 with the accumulation of growing problems its unfortunate that the pockets get Deeper but its all heading for a good place and the engine will be far more trouble free in its new life think you will be more than pleased when you have your first revived drive and get the smile well done Bernard Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Kelv said: no Christmas for us this year. But I always bloody hated Christmas anyway. 😂 Just think of it as Christmas coming early this year😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Well done Bernard, indeed! Now if only he knew about Rover P6s. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 so Kelv what do you need to know about the P6 ???? the forum is open to any have you thought about tssc membership as a suggestion (wish list ) Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I have a P6 V8 barn find that I'm restoring visually and cosmetically. I have no idea about mechanics. I found a guy in Scotland who's replacing the interior on HIS P6 and he's giving me his old interior. The engine runs on mine and the rear wheels drive forward and backward when they are jacked off the road. The car drives backward but not forward when wheels are on the road. I'm thinking the BW35 auto box forward clutch is lacking friction and needs an overhaul or replacement. But it might be something simpler and cheaper. There's a torque converter, a kickdown cable, transmission fluid levels to consider and God knows what else! I have no idea. I can buy a refurbished box for £500 from eBay but don't know anybody who can replace it. And what if the box isn't the fault? I need someone like Bernard to look at it and discover the fault and remedy it. Without it costing the Earth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 i would start by reading up about setting the shift cable on Rovers it could be well out of adjustment . kick down .....wont have any real effect on the basic selector settings normally there is a small ferule crimped on the carb end of the kick down cable and at idle this should just touch against the cables abutment oil level yes basic needs to be ok ( is there a cold fill and hot fill level on the dipstick ) ???? Pete . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Transmission was bone dry. No reading at all on the dipstick. Symptoms were reverse wheel movement when reverse gear selected but zero forward wheel movement in drive gears. I put 5 litres in the box and forward movement was fixed at all drive positions. But there's no strength to the forward movement. Also in neutral there is movement of the rear wheels but holding the wheel stops it quite easily. This is with wheels in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMi Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 maybe he can. Triumph 2000/2500 used the BW type 35 as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I can only ask him? Although I tried asking him a few things about the Rover last week and his reply was, he didn't know anything about Rovers. So I'll take the hint from that statement lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Maybe you should start a new thread, Kelv? Or, and with respect to others here, there are specific Rover V8 forums: Classic Rover Forum The Rover P6 Club And others! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) Yes. Of course. Will do. Although Pete invited me to say more. But if talking about Rovers on a Triumph site makes your knees quiver, then I'll go elsewhere 😂 Edited October 10, 2023 by Kelv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeau Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Well the Triumph Acclaim did become a Rover 200 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Kelv said: Yes. Of course. Will do. Although Pete invited me to say more. But if talking about Rovers on a Triumph site makes your knees quiver, then I'll go elsewhere 😂 No, no, Kelv! Please stay here with it! But if someone wants to contribute to a Rover V8 thread, they're unlikely to be looking for the one this started as! I have a RV8 project so I'm interested, but that is mated to a Renault UN1 gearbox (transaxle), so I can't talk about the BW35. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I understand. You're right nobody will follow this thread to chat about RV8s lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I'm worn out with the Triumph tbh. She's still showing faults. Fuel isn't pumping. She drives for half a mile and then dies. The battery drains flat after one start too. Bern is getting a new battery and setting up a gravity feed test for the fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Foster Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kelv said: Fuel isn't pumping. She drives for half a mile and then dies. Consider the possibility of accumulated debris in the fuel lines reducing flow. It was an issue on my GT6 On the GT6 the the fuel pipe routing comes out of the bottom of the tank, which I think is different to the Herald Vitesse. Ian Edited October 11, 2023 by Ian Foster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Bernard replaced all fuel lines recently. I expect the pump he ordered isn't working too well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 remember any fuel hose fitting has the possibility of breeding the dreaded rubber slivers get sheared off the rubber hose when inserting the metal pipework these float about and jam/block the back of the float needle valve its very common problem , less so with gates barricade hose which seems a much tougher compound Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelv Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Further update... Hi Kelvin, Although the engine turned over sluggishly, it started and when warm the engine oil was drained, the oil filter removed and the bottom hose was disconnected to drain the water from the cooling system. The sump plug did not have a copper washer fitted and there was a large amount of debris on the magnetic part of the plug including the pin from the rocker shaft!! After cleaning up the plug and fitting a copper washer it was refitted, a new Powertune filter was fitted and the engine was filled with 20/50 mineral oil. The bottom hose was reconnected and 4 pints of anti-freeze was added. I took the car for my usual 2 mile round trip road test, I got about 1/2 mile and the engine cut out. After checking that there was a spark the engine fired and got me half way back, I had to push it the rest of the way. The battery was flat. I fast charged the battery and the car started after using some "Easy Start" but would not run. The battery was again flat when I tried to re start the engine. I charged it again and disconnected the fuel line from the carb, with the battery charged there was hardly any fuel being pumped through, I had found a good used pump last night in my shed at home and I fitted it, it did not increase the fuel delivery. I set up a gravity feed and had to charge the battery again, at which point I had run out of time. My next actions will be to fit a new battery, clean out the carb, try to run the engine from a gravity fed fuel reservoir, then re fit the new pump, if this doesn't help. I will fit an electric fuel pump to at least prove/disprove a fuel delivery issue, I'm not happy with the amount of fuel that is getting to the carb, I have come across this in the past and it was because the fuel pump cam profile on the camshaft had worn, but this is VERY rare. Show quoted text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) Possibly a section of soft / collapsed rubber hose somewhere in the fuel lines? The vacuum from the pump pulling through the fuel is causing it to contract? Gully Edited October 11, 2023 by Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Or debris in the tank temporarily blocking the line. I had pink sludge in the pipe, it oozed about sometimes blocking the line sometimes not. Strimmer cord dynoRod time? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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