Peaks Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 It's time for new pads on my Vitesse. I've had Mintex 1144 fitted for the last 10 years and have been very pleased with them, so want the same again. Is it just a case of buying the correct pads for a Girling type 16 caliper, or are the pads model specific? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Clark Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 The pads for Type 16 calipers only vary between the imperial and metric sizes, with different diameter holes for the retaining pins. Your Vitesse should have imperial calipers, metric didn't start to appear until 1972. If in doubt, buy the pads and fitting kit from the Club Shop, they will ensure you get the right ones. Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iani Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 If you get the metric ones it's straightforward enough to drill the holes larger to take the imperial pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaks Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larfin Frog Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 (edited) Come across this thread will researching new pads for my Vitesse , and it seems the 1144 pad is the favourite . I've found some online , but while searching I saw some m1109 grade mintex pads which are a fraction of the price and I've seen described as " an Excellent road pad" . Does anyone have any experience of them? Mintex supply a comprehensive range of materials ranging from good quality road pads to out and out competition pads. We are fortunate in that Mintex, being a world renowned brake pad and shoe manufacturer, make brake pads for the entire TR range including 4 pot caliper conversions. The material range is as follows : - M1109 is an excellent road pad, and is complemented with the Mintex Classic range offering good all-round performance specially developed for classic cars. M1144 is suitable for Fast Road /Road Rally, M1155 for Stage Rally/Hillclimb/Mild Race, M1166 has high metallic content suitable for full race use, and M1177 available to special order has high carbon content, intended for the most arduous applications. Edited May 24 by Larfin Frog Add text for information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Yup, we all got 11/44s! Lots of threads on here extoling their benefits, be sure to do the running in procedure. Never heard of 11/09, but I suspect they ain't as good as 44s? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Mintex have superceded all their "Racing" pads, 1144/55/66, with a new series, named 1801/2/5 for corresponding use. See: https://mintex.com/compounds/?lang=en-gbr John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahebron Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 The 1144 pads I have have a sticker on the box that states 'not for road use' I wonder if these new ones are missing deadly compounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richeee Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 Just checked my newly delivered box. Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 Exactly. Old stock. Mintex aren't making M1144 anymore. See above. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 The new ones look even better when you compare its ratings diagram against the old! Dont suppose theyll be any cheaper though😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 "Radar" charts look really spiffy, but are notoriously misleading! I have some on my rear brakes now, but can't have any opinion yet. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 On 08/06/2024 at 17:53, Richeee said: Just checked my newly delivered box. Hmmm Hope you fitted the pads the correct way up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richeee Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 Depends which way up the car is when i change them....... The post i think from the previous postee, more related to the fact of not being road use. So should i fit. I will based on strong recommendations of this esteemed forum. But why state not road use...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 I think it purely comes down to the fact that these are listed by Mintex as racing pads as opposed to their standard range and the message is to avoid giving the impression of endorsing racing on public roads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 It's been argued that they are not road legal under Regulation 90, quote below from an EBC employee: "On your pad must be a reg 90 approval mark (Usually 90R and the location of the reg 90 approval - E11 for UK) and if it does not have this mark it should not be used on the road. Not saying that it will be unsafe, but it has not got the certificate to say they are officially safe. It can be an MOT fail if it the pads are checked to see if they have this marking. It is rarely/never done but if you get into a crash, you can be liable for not having brakes fit for the road. I have had a look into the M1144 and they do not have Reg 90 approval so these are not fit for road use. I work for EBC and I do our reg 90 approval every week on our materials to make sure they conform to this test." Possibly a less than neutral standpoint there from a rival company, but In the unlikely event of a fatal road crash, where the brakes are alleged to have contributed, the pads may be examined by an AO. It may be a million-to-one incident, but if it ever happens, it seems they're not road legal therefore no payout from Insurance and possibly other liabilities incurred. I don't use them, no point on a Herald really, but search for any term along the lines of "why are Mintex pads marked not for use on public roads" and see the many pages of debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMi Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: "On your pad must be a reg 90 approval mark (Usually 90R and the location of the reg 90 approval - E11 for UK) and if it does not have this mark it should not be used on the road. Not saying that it will be unsafe, but it has not got the certificate to say they are officially safe. It can be an MOT fail if it the pads are checked to see if they have this marking. It is rarely/never done but if you get into a crash, you can be liable for not having brakes fit for the road. taken from EBC's website European legislation came into effect in September 1999 titled ECE R90 that stipulates that all brake pads ( and now also discs/rotors) sold for use on vehicles manufactured after this date must be tested and comply with R90 standards (https://www.ebcbrakes.com/race-motorsport-articles/ece-regulation-90-whats-it-all-about/#:~:text=European legislation came into effect,and comply with R90 standards) So that regulation does not apply to our cars, simply as even the original manufacturers pads did not undergo the regs Edited June 10 by DanMi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richeee Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larfin Frog Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 So I have now fitted a set of Mintex 1144s and have much better braking. However having all 4 pistons moving as they should is probably having as much if not a greater effect on braking efficiency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 Yes working pistons make a big difference especially as if not they usually pull to one side. So you went with the Mintex race 1144 compound rather then the cheaper standard 1109 that you saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larfin Frog Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 Yes, noone seemed to have any experience of them, and everyone seemed happy with the 1144s. I found 1 sticky piston each side, so it pulled up straight, just not very quickly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 I think you did the right thing as all standard modern pads seem to need a servo, and a high ratio one at that, to be acceptable in our cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68vitesse Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 I and I believe many others are not fans of EBC green stuff pads, immediate braking improvement when I replaced them in my Vitesse with white box pads bought at an auto jumble. Will probably get Mintex for next pad change. Regards Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 49 minutes ago, 68vitesse said: I and I believe many others are not fans of EBC green stuff pads, immediate braking improvement when I replaced them in my Vitesse with white box pads bought at an auto jumble. Will probably get Mintex for next pad change. Regards Paul. I agree, used EBC Greenstuff for less than a month then binned them. You probably need some wear for them to bed in and work properly, I wasn't doing enough miles in the GT6 but found the pedal very hard with little stopping power and so went back to original-style pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 my experience is easy to clean ebc /greenstuff off the brake dust from the wheels and trims but if you want to stop best avoid like the plague ive been a fan of 1144 mintex ( with correct bedding in) work wonders pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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