Colin Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Gents:- 2 things:- 1) My 1970 1147 saloon car's recently been renovated. The company concerned missed putting back the coat hook that sat just over the nearside rear side window and the roof has had a new headlining. So now I can't figure out where the receiving captive nut is, along the window's length or how far up - I have been unable to detect its location by pressing/poking with my finger! Can anyone tell me/does anyone have a roof currently not installed who can measure and report back where it should be located, please? 2) Before renovation, the car was covered over in a barn for a decade. Recently, my dear wife helped me strip the old, mickey-nibbled hessian off the back of the rear bench seat and having bought some similar & appropriate hessian, stitch the new into position. In 35 years of ownership, I have only ever known the seat to have this hessian visibly exposed, especially when seen from within the boot, of course. But it did cause me to wonder if this was the original finish for said seat? Is everyone else's seat finished with this hessian? Or am I missing a vinyl back covering or similar?? There. I said these were daft matters!! All thoughts gratefully received as usual 🙂 Best, Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 I think originally hardboard covered the rear seat . I fitted a piece of thin plywood and painted it black Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Colin said: There. I said these were daft matters!! No such thing as daft matters. You already have a reply to one question and I'm sure others will be along for the other point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 The boot should have a hardboard panel, certainly in the convertible model; I don't know if the saloon had a separate one, screwed to the frame, or if it was attached to the seat. The coat hook 'button' is attached to the roof about two inches back from the rear window pillar on the passenger side, maybe half an inch above the glass seal. If I can find photos of either, I'll post asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Truman Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 The rear vertical side panels are rebated to take a millboard separation panel with holes in the rebates for panel clips also my early convertible CKD assembled rear tub had a very thin angle iron about 18 in long that screwed into the rear axle hump and the millboard also clipped to. The angle iron has to be removed to remove the spring/diff inspection hatch. Don't know if this was an Aussie CKD AMI assembled mod or original Triumph fitment. Photo supplied if wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, Peter Truman said: The rear vertical side panels are rebated to take a millboard separation panel with holes in the rebates for panel clips also my early convertible CKD assembled rear tub had a very thin angle iron about 18 in long that screwed into the rear axle hump and the millboard also clipped to. The angle iron has to be removed to remove the spring/diff inspection hatch. Don't know if this was an Aussie CKD AMI assembled mod or original Triumph fitment. Photo supplied if wanted. That sounds like the same thing as my UK model 13/60 conv has. Might be different for the saloon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: The boot should have a hardboard panel, certainly in the convertible model; I don't know if the saloon had a separate one, screwed to the frame, or if it was attached to the seat. The coat hook 'button' is attached to the roof about two inches back from the rear window pillar on the passenger side, maybe half an inch above the glass seal. If I can find photos of either, I'll post asap. My Vitesse saloon has the panel screwed to the frame Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Paul H said: My Vitesse saloon has the panel screwed to the frame Paul I haven't had a saloon in many years, but never actually used the feature of the folding rear seat which was in the early models; this meant that you could put bulky objects into the boot and out across the rear of the seat. That being the case any board would need to be attached to the rear of the seat so that the aperture would be available; if it's attached to the frame then it can't be easily removed; but did this feature continue to the later cars? I made a new board for the convertible but it just pins to the frame with trim clips. I've only been able to find one photo of the interior coat 'button', it's a Vitesse in Mike Costigan's book: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 I'm sure on my 13/60 that the hessian was fully visible in the boot. The car was in original condition when I owned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 yes same on my mk1 Vitesse saloon but since boarded up👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Thanks, Trigolf! It dawned on me when re-covering that it was almost like skimping and somewhat unfinished!! C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Thanks Johny, It's clear to me now that such a finish was standard. I was thinking of boarding, too! C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 my 64 Vit6 saloon had hessian attached to the fixed rear squab looked awful so I replaced it with a ply panel yes there was a recessed flange to make a nice neat fit Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Josef said: That sounds like the same thing as my UK model 13/60 conv has. Might be different for the saloon though. My 13/60 convertible has a board, but don't forget the convertible has the well for the hood so does need a separation between boot & back of seat. To be honest I can't say if the back of the seat is hessian or not, never really looked 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Colin Lindsay said: the feature of the folding rear seat which was in the early models I've never seen that on a Herald or Vitesse. They must have dropped the feature quite early on, probably as a cost saving, at which point they probably also deleted the hardboard panel from saloons as a further cost saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, NonMember said: I've never seen that on a Herald or Vitesse. They must have dropped the feature quite early on, probably as a cost saving, at which point they probably also deleted the hardboard panel from saloons as a further cost saving. Believe it or not, I just found a photo as I was reading your post! Again from Mike's reference book, it shows the seat folded down, but also shows a trim panel over the hessian presumably for protection and a more 'upmarket' look. I think I have a 948 rear seat in the roofspace, I'll check it later and see if it's covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon J 1250 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 My original and unrestored 1965 12/50 has the hessian showing on the seat back as does another unrestored and very original 20k mile 1966 Herald I looked at recently. (as well as several other 1200 & 12/50 saloons I've seen over the years) Looks as though this is how they were built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 My Vitesse Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 This is one from my own garage; it has the two outer holes for the silver cuphook of earlier cars plus the single central hole for the later button. You can see where it sits with regard to the B-post pillar; this is the passenger side looking up so there's a definite raised area where it sits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Even Sillier question? Why dosent my Convertible have a coat Hook??😂😭 Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, PeteH said: Even Sillier question? Why dosent my Convertible have a coat Hook??😂😭 Pete Because a convertible is so drafty you need to keep it on 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chris A said: Because a convertible is so drafty you need to keep it on 😁 You don`t hang the coat to the Radio Airel Then?.😁, (i`ll get mine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, PeteH said: You don`t hang the coat to the Radio Airel Then?.😁, (i`ll get mine). It wouldn't work on mine as the ariel is retractable 🤔 Speaking of retractable Ariel's, a while ago I returned to my parked Herald to find a couple of 30 somethings looking at the visible part of the ariel and were wondering what it was. They were completely lost on the conspet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Chris A said: My 13/60 convertible has a board, but don't forget the convertible has the well for the hood so does need a separation between boot & back of seat. To be honest I can't say if the back of the seat is hessian or not, never really looked 🙄 Ohhhh, I missed that this was about the back of the actual seat cushion assembly. I thought what Peter T was describing was the bit that holds the bottom of the panel that separates the convertible hood well from the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Nevertheless, very entertaining! 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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