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That is still the routine and progress is periodically checked, usually by the Master At Arms, to ensure a full set is blossoming; if it is not forthcoming then it is back to shaving.  'Fancy' trimming is not permitted however it should be neatly trimmed so no ZZ Top lookalikes.  That approach also ensures that an adequate seal is made if wearing a gas respirator etc. In Prince Philip's time in the Service officers rarely had beards, with the exception of submariners, and certainly not Commanders in command or officers in the Royal Yacht!

Not sure if it still the case but I had to formally write to my Captain to request permission to get married to ....; this was to avoid the unforeseen outcome of a run ashore with an inappropriate lady!

Dick

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I have only one personal memory of her Majesty, during the 50th jubilee, she visted Beverly, I was not present, but My wife took our grandaughter, who was amazed when the Queen actually came over and spoke to her and several other children grouped together.

It is a sad time for this country, and a sad time for her family. It is never easy to see ones`s parents go. even one of such an age. Bless You Ma`am, The country will miss you. An important Light has been turned out.

On a lighter note. I knew about the "permission to shave/stop shaving. But did wonder if that had been dropped in recent times?. It was also a requirement of the RNVR, Just as well it was not a Merchant Navy rule though.!!

Pete

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As I expected last evenings regional news, France 3 Normandie, spent the whole half hour dedicated to her. The presenter was at the British war cemetery at Bayeux. It was interesting to see from a non British stand point how she was loved & respected.

She  had a close relationship with Normandy, of course there were several visits for D Day ceremonies plus a good number of less formal and virtually private visits relating to her passion for horses. Visits to several 'haras' and she was clearly very knowledgeable all all things to do with horses.

The previous evening during a special programme about her an ex ambassador said that when he first took up his post one of the  first things he was told was not to speak to her in English. On the regional programme last night that point came up again and this time the person explained that speaking to her in English would imply that her French wasn't up to it, which of course isn't true she had an excellent command of French. I understand her feelings on the subject as often when visiting tourist areas here where there are high numbers of English speaking tourists hotel staff tend to want to speak to us in English. We politely inform them that we live in France and have done for nearly 30 years, do actually have French nationality and prefer to speak French ( usually because their English accent is so bad).

Of course there is also a family tie between the late queen and Normandie, she is a descendant on the female side of a certain Guillaume and in fact one of her many titles is 'Duc de Normandie'. Yes Duc not Duchesse. It was mentioned that on one occasion someone did address her as Duchesse de Normandie and she politely and with humour put them right.

My neighbour has dropped yesterday's copy of Ouest France in my letter box as it has 4 or 5 pages about her.

We are going to keep our Union flag at half mast for as long as they are in Britain rather than as they will be here.

 

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7 minutes ago, Chris A said:

As I expected last evenings regional news, France 3 Normandie, spent the whole half hour dedicated to her. The presenter was at the British war cemetery at Bayeux. It was interesting to see from a non British stand point how she was loved & respected.

Some of the tributes have been amazing; in particular the Canadian Prime Minister was especially moving.

Of course, this country being what it is, we had 'Celebration Cavalcades' in certain areas of Northern Ireland last night, and they weren't celebrating her memory.

 

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Descended from William the Conqueror?  Yes, but also from Harald Godwinsson, who lost at Hastings, and almost everyone else who lived in Britain  thousand years ago.   As everyone has two parents, and a generation is about twenty years, she has 2^20 ancestors from that time.

  That's 1,048,567 people, half of the entire population of England in 1066.

John 

PS it is indeed a mark of her universal respect when a newspaper in republican France devotes so much to her death.   But here in the UK, the Guardian, whose editorial policy was republican, gave us nineteen pages yesterday, twenty five today AND a special FORTY page biographical supplement, for its royalist readers to pull out and keep.   If the Grauniad does that I shudder to think what the Daily Mail has done!   J

 

 

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19 minutes ago, JohnD said:

I shudder to think what the Daily Mail has done! 

whatever it did yesterday, along with other British newspapers, a specialist shop in Paris sold all their copies in less than 30 minutes yesterday, plus got rid of all their left over stock of commemorative mugs, plates etc. Not just from the most recent jubilee either, everything they had!

No doubt factories in China are going full speed with tribute stuff for her majesty and celebration stuff for the new king.

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2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Descended from William the Conqueror?  Yes, but also from Harald Godwinsson, who lost at Hastings, and almost everyone else who lived in Britain  thousand years ago.   As everyone has two parents, and a generation is about twenty years, she has 2^20 ancestors from that time.

  That's 1,048,567 people, half of the entire population of England in 1066.

The person was talking about direct descendant, I can't recall if he said 25 or 28 levels between them.

Another nice anecdote, when the queen went to Deauville the council convened a special council meeting to pass a temporary law to allow her to go along where the famous beach huts are in her Rolls. It is normally pedestrians only.

We once went to Ouistreham for the ferry a few days before or after a visit and the speed bumps had all been removed on the route . . .

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Direct descendant?   When any descent is through Scots kings (James 1, 6th of Scotland) and Dutch princes (William 3, Prince of Orange), when Queen Victoria's father was the fourth son of George 3, when none of his elder brothers had sons (and the Prince Regent, no wife!) so she succeeded, Her Majesty's own father would never have been King, if it were not for his brother Edward 7's infatuation with an American divorcee and consequent abdication.   Forget the coils of Salic Law!   HM's descent could not be less direct or more convoluted!

 

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39 minutes ago, JohnD said:

Forget the coils of Salic Law!   HM's descent could not be less direct or more convoluted!

 

From familypedia


This list shows the most senior line of direct royal lineal descent to the current monarch of the United Kingdom from William the Conqueror of England. Each person on the list is the son or daughter of the person above him or her on the list. There are many other more junior lines of descent of the family (some of which are shorter), but the crown, at least in theory, descends only through the most senior line. Due to extinct lines, large parts of entire royal houses (Lancaster, Tudor, Stuart) are bypassed in the current most senior line. The numbers can be used to calculate the number of generations between two individuals on this list, but they may have shorter links (notably that of George III to George VI through the latter's mother).

The direct royal line from William the Conqueror to Elizabeth II

The most royal line, not the shortest
  1. William I, King of England (1027-1087)
  2. Henry I, King of England (1068-1135)
  3. Matilda of Normandy (1102-1167)
  4. Henry II, King of England (1133-1189)
  5. John, King of England (1167-1216)
  6. Henry III, King of England (1207-1272)
  7. Edward I, King of England (1239-1307)
  8. Edward II, King of England (1284-1327)
  9. Edward III, King of England (1312-1377)
  10. Lionel of Antwerp, 1st Duke of Clarence (1338-1368)
  11. Philippa Plantagenet, 5th Countess of Ulster (1355-1382)
  12. Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March (1374-1398)
  13. Anne Mortimer (1390-1411)
  14. Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York (1411-1460)
  15. Edward IV, King of England (1442-1483)
  16. Elizabeth of York (1465-1503) (wife of Henry VII)
  17. Margaret Tudor (1489-1541)
  18. James V, King of Scotland (1512-1542)
  19. Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotland (1542-1586)
  20. James I of England (1566-1625)
  21. Elizabeth Stuart, Electress Palatine (1596-1662)
  22. Sophia, Electress of Hanover (1630-1714)
  23. George I of Great Britain (1660-1727)
  24. George II of Great Britain (1683-1760)
  25. Frederick, Prince of Wales (1707-1751)
  26. George III of the United Kingdom (1738-1820)
  27. Prince Edward Augustus (1767-1820)
  28. Victoria of the United Kingdom (1819-1901)
  29. Edward VII of the United Kingdom (1841-1910)
  30. George V of the United Kingdom (1865-1936)
  31. George VI of the United Kingdom (1895-1952)
  32. Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom (1926)
Shorter line of descent

(Prefix is latest known "order of Charlemagne"; further work may show a shorter line.)

Elizabeth's shortest line from Charlemagne bypasses William I and Henry I.

 

Monarchs not in the direct royal line, and why

The number after each monarch is their generation number (it corresponds to the number on the list above and the list below).

Monarchs of each generation

This table shows the generation of each monarch based on their descent from William I via the royal line.

The generational jump between Henry VII and Henry VIII is an interesting case shown on this list. Henry VIII is the son of Henry VII (generation 14 through an illegitimate junior line of John of Gaunt) as well as the son of Elizabeth of York (generation 16 through the senior Lionel, Duke of Clarence line). Henry VIII is counted as generation 17 because the royal line passes through his mother, who is of the senior line.

This process will continue in the future. Prince William of Wales, if he becomes king, will add a line to Charles II, from whom he is descended through his mother Lady Diana.

  1. William I
  2. William IIHenry I
  3. Stephen Empress Matilda
  4. Henry II
  5. Richard Lionheart John Lackland
  6. Henry III
  7. Edward I
  8. Edward II
  9. Edward III
  10. none
  11. Richard II Henry IV
  12. Henry V
  13. Henry IV
  14. Henry VII
  15. Edward IVRichard III
  16. Edward V
  17. Henry VIII
  18. Edward VIMary IElizabeth I
  19. Lady Jane Grey
  20. James I
  21. Charles I
  22. Charles IIJames II
  23. Mary II William IIIAnne George I
  24. George II
  25. none
  26. George III
  27. George IVWilliam IV
  28. Victoria
  29. Edward VII
  30. George V
  31. Edward VIII George VI
  32. Elizabeth II

Genealogical relationships to Elizabeth II

The closest known relationships between Elizabeth and each king or queen of England, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom are given below.

Monarch Relation to Elizabeth II
William I of England 22nd Great-Grandfather
Henry I of England 21st Great-Grandfather
Stephen of England 20th Great-Grandfather
Henry II of England 19th Great-Grandfather
Richard I of England 18th Great-Granduncle
John of England 18th Great-Grandfather
Henry III of England 19th Great-Grandfather
Edward I of England 18th Great-Grandfather
Edward II of England 18th Great-Grandfather
Edward III of England 17th Great-Grandfather
Richard II of England 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry IV of England 17th Great-Grandfather
Henry V of England 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry VI of England ½-14th Great-Granduncle
Edward IV of England 15th Great-Grandfather
Edward V of England 13th Great-Granduncle
Richard III of England 14th Great-Granduncle
Henry VII of England 13th Great-Grandfather
Henry VIII of England 12th Great-Granduncle
Edward VI of England 1st Cousin, 12 times Removed
Lady Jane Grey 10th Great-Grandaunt
Mary I of England 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
Elizabeth I of England 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
James I of England 9th Great-Grandfather
Charles I of England 8th Great-Granduncle
Charles II of England 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
James II of England 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
William III of England 1st Cousin 8 times Removed
Mary II of England 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
Anne of Great Britain 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
George I of Great Britain 6th Great-Grandfather
George II of Great Britain 5th Great-Grandfather
George III of the United Kingdom 3rd Great-Grandfather
George IV of the United Kingdom 2nd Great-Granduncle
William IV of the United Kingdom 2nd Great-Granduncle
Victoria of the United Kingdom 2nd Great-Grandmother
Edward VII of the United Kingdom Great-Grandfather
George V of the United Kingdom Grandfather
Edward VIII of the United Kingdom Uncle
George VI of the United Kingdom Father
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom Self

Family tree

This tree shows the descent of all British monarchs from William I, and their relationships with each other. Only branches that were used to determine succession of a monarch are shown. The direct royal line can be followed as the leftmost line.

                             
   William I
 
   
               
   Henry I    William II    Adela of Normandy
 
               
               
   Empress Matilda          Stephen
 
   
   
   Henry II
 
   
         
   John     Richard I
 
   
   
   Henry III
 
   
   
   Edward I
 
   
   
   Edward II
 
   
   
   Edward III
 
   
               
   Lionel of Antwerp    Edward the Black Prince    John of Gaunt
 
               
                     
   Philippa of Ulster    Richard II     Henry IV    Earl John Beaufort
 
                     
                     
   Roger de Mortimer          Henry V    Duke John Beaufort
 
                     
                     
   Anne de Mortimer          Henry VI    Margaret Beaufort
 
                     
                     
   Richard, Duke of York                Henry VII
 
                     
                     
   Edward IV    Richard III          
             
                     
                     
   Elizabeth of York    Edward V          
               
                     
                           
   Margaret Tudor    Henry VIII                Mary Tudor
 
                           
                           
   James V of Scotland    Edward VI    Mary I    Elizabeth I    Lady Frances Brandon
 
                           
                           
   Mary, Queen of Scots                      Lady Jane Grey
 
   
   
   James I
 
   
         
   Elizabeth Stuart    Charles I
 
         
                     
   Sophia of Hanover    Mary Stuart    James II    Charles II
 
               
                     
    George I    William III  =  Mary II    Anne
 
   
   
    George II
 
   
   
   Frederick, Prince of Wales
 
   
   
    George III
 
   
               
   Edward Augustus    George IV    William IV
 
   
   
    Victoria
 
   
   
    Edward VII
 
   
   
    George V
 
   
         
    George VI     Edward VIII
 
   
   
    Elizabeth II

 

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2 hours ago, PeteH said:

Aparently the true King of England, is an Australian with a direct line from The Yorkist, Richard the Third.

There is some truth in that, though I think the line was through a sister or cousin of Richard, as his son died before he did. Tony Robinson presented a documentary on this very subject a few years back but the latest Australian heir wasn't interested in claiming the throne for himself.....

Had Richard 111 not lost (unexpectedly) on Bosworth field our history might have been very different......

Best wishes,

Mike.

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On 08/09/2022 at 20:44, JohnD said:

The Queen is dead: God save the King.

We live in "interesting" times.    I have never known another monarcha nd she once was said to rule a new Elizabethan Age.    So we must now have a new Charlian one?   The name is not auspicious.

John

I have heard the new age is to be known as Carolean or something?

Earliest memory was of watching the Coronation on a tiny tv in a hotel in Torquay at the age of 4.  God Save the King.

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9 minutes ago, Sue Franklin said:

I have heard the new age is to be known as Carolean or something?

You are correct. We are now in a new Carolean age, which is what the reign of a Charles as King is known as.

As you also said. God save the King.

Best wishes,

Mike.

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48 minutes ago, JohnD said:

"Carolean" is based on the somewhat loose correlation of "Charles" with the Latin "Carolus".

For the 21st, rather than the 1st Century CE, I think Charlean is better!

John

So does that mean you've all moved on from being a bunch of Elizabethans to being a bunch of Charlies? 😁

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I don't know what time events start tomorrow, I'll look it up later, but here a couple of TV channels are starting their coverage at 06h00 our time, 05h00 UK. No doubt a long retrospective of her life.

Our Union flag will be out at half mast for the day as will the drapeau tricolore on all the public buildings.

The 19th of September is a date we won't be able to forget as it is the anniversary of our remarriage here in France.

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Currently on a cruise ship and at Antalya Turkey tomorrow. I haven't heard what or if the ship (Oceania Riviera) has anything planned but the Brits on board want to pay our respects to Her Majesty. Showing events in the theatre would be good if not they have a Chappel somewhere. 

Iain 

 

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