alan.gilbert_6384 Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Hi All, Does anyone know why one side of the car would require much more pressure (using a large syringe instead of the messy oil grease gun thing this time) to inject oil into the trunnion ? Also is the wishbone pivot bush oiled at the same time, ie is the cross bore connected to the main threaded part by an oil way ? Reason for asking is that oil seems to becoming out of the pivot bore shields. I cannot seem to find any cross sectional views of the internals anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 unless someone has cross drilled there is no connection from the oil bath to the pivot bushes in normal trunnions Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 The bushes in the trunnion are plastic so self lubricating plus if there was a connection the oil would tend to run out of the trunnion whereas its supposed to sit in there like a bath. The little spring loaded ball in the grease nipple used for oiling can be stuck or bunged up so making it harder to push oil in. I usually free them off with a fine piece of steel wire beforehand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.gilbert_6384 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: unless someone has cross drilled there is no connection from the oil bath to the pivot bushes in normal trunnions Pete Cheers Pete, I will check again, maybe i'm going mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.gilbert_6384 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, johny said: The bushes in the trunnion are plastic so self lubricating plus if there was a connection the oil would tend to run out of the trunnion whereas its supposed to sit in there like a bath. The little spring loaded ball in the grease nipple used for oiling can be stuck or bunged up so making it harder to push oil in. I usually free them off with a fine piece of steel wire beforehand... Cheers Johny, I have removed the grease nipple and screwed in 6MM nylon tube (seem a good fit, it was recommend in the mag February edition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, alan.gilbert_6384 said: Cheers Johny, I have removed the grease nipple and screwed in 6MM nylon tube (seem a good fit, it was recommend in the mag February edition I don't use the grease nipple at all, did five cars last weekend in my garage and every one was filled with an oil can and plastic pipe. On some you could see grease coming up under the rubber seal, so there was sufficient pressure to force old grease out - whoever put that in - and refill with fresh oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigolf Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 I find jacking the front up- & putting on an axle stand, to get the weight off, helps get the oil in. Gav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) If the top seals are new (or very good), then I have found pushing a thin lolly stick/coffe stirrer, etc up them to sort of, temp unseal them and help the flow, has helped a lot using an oil can. A grease gun would be my last resort (or retort). Edited April 30, 2021 by daverclasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badwolf Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 I have used a cotton buds soaked in spirit in the past after the garage helpfully greased everything because they didn't have anything handy to use to fill with oil despite me asking them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, trigolf said: I find jacking the front up Thats good its standard onion troiling procedure the wsm says jack it up prior to oiling Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.gilbert_6384 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, trigolf said: I find jacking the front up- & putting on an axle stand, to get the weight off, helps get the oil in. Gav Cheers trigolf, and everyone else, I will try jacking it up and trying that, once the winter is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahebron Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Looks to me like this is in need of nipple protection. https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=grease+nipple+caps&crid=C5ARBHS3XL5O&sprefix=grease+nipple+caps%2Caps%2C473&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_18 Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 7 hours ago, ahebron said: Looks to me like this is in need of nipple protection. https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=grease+nipple+caps&crid=C5ARBHS3XL5O&sprefix=grease+nipple+caps%2Caps%2C473&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_18 Adrian I remember doing a search for "grease nipples" and it asked: "did you mean greasy nipples?" 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Red, green and blue? No yellow ones? db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1969Mk3Spitfire Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 30/04/2021 at 18:58, Pete Lewis said: Thats good its standard onion troiling procedure the wsm says jack it up prior to oiling Pete My Autobooks manual doesn’t mention jacking the corner but I can see it helping, thanks for the tip. I’ve only recently had the joy of oiling with a grease gun so I’ll save your sage advice until next season 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.gilbert_6384 Posted May 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 having tried both, a syringe is much easier, for this job, said the actress to the bishop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnut66 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 30/04/2021 at 16:54, alan.gilbert_6384 said: Cheers Johny, I have removed the grease nipple and screwed in 6MM nylon tube (seem a good fit, it was recommend in the mag February edition Hi, As soon as my Traveller is back on the road I am going to take Hetty off for a good service and some TLC. This will be the first time I have serviced a Triumph and whilst most of it will be pretty standard (no pun intended 😄) stuff, I have never 'oiled' trunions before, only greased them. So two questions with a view to making it easier, one: Do you have a link to these 6mm nylon tubes you screwed to replace the nipple on each side? I joined after Feb, so don't have a copy of that issue and it sounds like a good idea to get some. Plus if someone has a link to an appropriately sized syringe that would be very useful too. Two: Can you post up a picture of said tube in situ? Also would EP90 be the correct oil to use? Many thanks, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 EP 90 is correct. I use a normal grease gun that I keep just for this. As long as I keep the gun vertical it doesn't leak 😒 Also best done with wheel jacked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.gilbert_6384 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, jagnut66 said: Hi, As soon as my Traveller is back on the road I am going to take Hetty off for a good service and some TLC. This will be the first time I have serviced a Triumph and whilst most of it will be pretty standard (no pun intended 😄) stuff, I have never 'oiled' trunions before, only greased them. So two questions with a view to making it easier, one: Do you have a link to these 6mm nylon tubes you screwed to replace the nipple on each side? I joined after Feb, so don't have a copy of that issue and it sounds like a good idea to get some. Plus if someone has a link to an appropriately sized syringe that would be very useful too. Two: Can you post up a picture of said tube in situ? Also would EP90 be the correct oil to use? Many thanks, Mike. Hi, attached are picture from the mag, and having tired both wheels down and wheels up, definitely wheels up is best and easiest. fleabay is where you find the stuff mostly I think. Don't forget to put a catch try underneath or you could mess up your driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 I use an old fashioned trigger actuated oil can rather than a syringe. A few squeezes of the trigger is all that is needed to fill the trunnion and old oil to be forced out the top. The unused oil then resides in the oil can, which is marked with a large letter T, ready for the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnut66 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, alan.gilbert_6384 said: Hi, attached are picture from the mag, and having tired both wheels down and wheels up, definitely wheels up is best and easiest. fleabay is where you find the stuff mostly I think. Don't forget to put a catch try underneath or you could mess up your driveway. Thanks for that, being able to read the original article is useful. I have ordered a syringe and 6mm tube, although having just seen Graham's post the old trigger operated oil can does seem the obvious solution. I even have one, although I'd need another, as he states, dedicated solely to this purpose / EP90. I will try the syringe and tube and see how I get on. Provided, of course, they're not full of grease................. Best wishes, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 10 hours ago, jagnut66 said: Provided, of course, they're not full of grease................. when I first got my 13/60 I went through all the service & maintenance points as I didn't know the detailed history of the car. when I oiled the trunnions old grease was pushed out. My method with the grease gun had enough oumph to do the job, would a syringe and tube make a good enough seal? I don't know. anyway yours might have been oiled, you'll find out soon enough. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 you are just topping up a small reservoir of oil a syringe wont shift previously filled grease jacking to lift the weight off the upright allows the oil to fully fill the cavity and threads pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnut66 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: jacking to lift the weight off the upright allows the oil to fully fill the cavity and threads Thanks Pete, It's best to grease Minors with the front wheels off the ground too. Everyone has been underlining this point and it has been taken on board, when I do them the front will be raised. As to whether I will need to clean out old grease or not I don't know yet, time will tell..... Best wishes, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMi Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 The only pressure needed to fill the trunnions is to get the oil through the grease nipple (unless previously greased) as GrahamB says just jack the car up remove the grease nipple and use a standard trigger oil can. I also put something like an allen key under the top seal so the oil flows out easily. There is no need for a special grease gun filled with oil and no need to make up syringes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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