iana Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I need to order an oil filter for the vitesse, its got a spin on conversion with a QFL0099 oil filter fitted, when I had a GT6 the filters for the spin off conversions was GFE166 , GFE173 or GFE 180, Coopers 19 or a Delphi 19. I had seen an offer with rimmers - are these any use or am I better buying a QFL0099 or one of the other filters?. https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-RR1243K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I dont think there is a lot of difference, but do you need three? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROVER-MONTEGO-1-6-Oil-Filter-84-to-92-Bosch-GFE180-Genuine-Quality-Replacement/232409912115?epid=1330712186&hash=item361cb5d333:g:CmUAAOSwr8xZ7lXC:rk:7:pf:0 £4-90p each for Bosch units inc postage is not bad. Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iana Posted February 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 ok daft question, is this the same thing but 2 number filters - if so Ill order. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Oil-Filters-0451103298-Bosch-GFE180-1109A3-1109A6-1026285-1070523-P3298-New/332113023192?hash=item4d537a90d8:g:qE0AAOSwH2VZ76ec:rk:2:pf:0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Yes both the same, having two saves on postage Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6M Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 If memory severve me reet, then the filter t,use was one fora reliant, thee,s filters wer about 2 inch high, so it could be fitted vertically doonwards, no on a jaunty angle as most others are, cos the chassis is int road of it. there quite a few diff filters ont market, but wid a different bolt size for filters so ye may be better of change,n the bolt t,the moer modern filters that are lower, if ye cant find one. this type only 74 mm deep, but need an adapter as its an M 20 thread. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FILTRON-Oil-Filter-For-MAZDA-6-OP617/192710577308?epid=656455986&hash=item2cde720c9c:g:MBsAAOSwj-Rb3KML:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true this,n only 58 mm deep, agen, M20 thread. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PURFLUX-Oil-Filter-For-SMART-FORTWO-LS948/292800736801?epid=24006999607&hash=item442c48ae21:g:-mEAAOSwsptb3ORa:rk:8:pf:0 its really best t,git yer oil filter hanging doonwards., so it dont drain oot as much. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Why not order from the club shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.vitesse Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 The spin on conversion filter was used on a number of cars the Austin Montego 1.6 S engine being one. Part numbers GFE173 and Fram PH2964. The club shop have GEF173. Halfords used to have HOF200, but they have stopped selling it in recent months. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 get my Fram spin-ons from careuroparts at 2.63 delivered (including the usual discount code) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6M Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Yes club shop may ev thee,s,, an others filters fit, but they are the wrong type, its not the filter required the filter required on a GT /Vitt is the small one, that will fit vertically thee,s others dont, they sit at 45 or so degs then folk wonder why the oil light teks so long t,go oot. its cos yer loosing all yer oil oot the filter. the Original adaptor for the GT / Vit was angled oot wards frae the engine, which meant a bigger filter could be used, as the longer filter, wid the angled adaptor ..missed.. the chassis rail but some where along the line, it was done away wid, and just the type for the saloon / TR 5/6 was left. which is all wrong for a GT / Vit thee,s cars ev plenty of room fora bigg filter sitt,n vertically. M M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverclasper Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Have been trying to find a short filter for Vit, though even the Reliant ones for various models seem to be around 70mm. Anyone got a lead on this please. Ta, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Mann filters have a great site for looking up different filters and using the required thread the best I can find is a W77. This seems to have all the same characteristics as the normal spin on item (including non return and bypass valves) but is only 59mm in length. Its also used on a couple of Maserati car models (as well as the Fiat Cinquecento before you get too excited)..... https://catalog.mann-filter.com/EU/eng/catalog/MANN-FILTER Katalog Europa/Oil Filter/W 77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy916 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 on my MK3 GT6, I use Crosland oil filter FD264, or a Motoquip VFL 344, and Fram P/No 1174 fits as well all with Rimmer's spin on adapter I use these because they are short in height and I can keep them as upright as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 I got my convertor and filter from the club shop. Later I bought 4 filters as 4 have the same postage as one. The installation sits at an angle of around 45 degrees and it doesn't drain back, even after a winter lay off. A lot of worry about drain back, but the engines were designed with it and the only thing really wrong is the dreadful clatter. I wonder if a short filter is as efficient/effective as a longer one? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy916 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 I think mine is less than 45 deg, I to was worried about drain back, so I have kept it as upright as possible which is why I went with the shallow filters only 50 mm high, and change it more often, I use Classic light 20/60 oil, 5L for £30 inc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, dougbgt6 said: only thing really wrong is the dreadful clatter. The sound of your bearings banging themselves to death against the crank journals...... only? On 19/02/2019 at 19:26, johny said: the best I can find is a W77 Nice compact filter with anti-drain valve. Our only concern was it's low internal bypass pressure of just 0.8 Bar which we felt could result in the element was being bypassed when the oil is cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 Hello Nick Do you really think cold oil would lift a 12psi valve? I use the W916/1 which is 0.9 or 13.5psi I this another reason for using modern synthetic oils? But surely the manufacturer allows for cold oil? I thought it was just there for if the filter got very dirty? Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, Nick Jones said: The sound of your bearings banging themselves to death against the crank journals...... only? As I said, the engine was designed to cope with it. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: As I said, the engine was designed to cope with it. Doug Really? An engine designed to run with no oil pressure/flow though the crank bearings? Nobody would choose to do that to an engine. And there are no "features" to help matters. I do wonder if the orientation of many spin-on conversions makes matters worse than the original setup. If you look at the MGB 1800 engines, certainly the later engines (possibly early too, but I have no hands-on experience with those) had the spin-on filter pointing straight up. To help they had the centre oil return pipe extended deep into the filter. And the anti-drain valve "stops" or reduces oil drain from the filter. Sadly if the oil filter is pointing up, all the normal oil filters supplied will drain back, even if they have an anti-drain valve. However, fitting a double valved filter will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, clive said: Really? An engine designed to run with no oil pressure/flow though the crank bearings? Nobody would choose to do that to an engine. Clive, Triumph did exactly that! 19 minutes ago, clive said: And there are no "features" to help Which says you know they did. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6M Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 only engines that,l run wid nee oil on shells are roller bearing type. Doug, if it dont drain back, then wots this awfull clatter that yer hearing, its yer engine slowly wearing its sel away,!! Its quite easy t, change threads,so moer filters available Gupps on the right track, Butt, its no just the oil in filter an its housing, its the oil in the gallery, that half roond bit, sit,n just above filter an running all way along engine, It drains out, an also teks time t fill up, thats why a rattle can still be heared AFTER the oil light is just gone oot, as oil has just put the OPS out, but oil aint got t,the bearings yet. A verticle filter helps here, as the oil pump is just fill,n half the adaptor, and not the filter angled filter empty owa time, Not only that, but them adaptors wid oil teks offs, are an engines executioner if fitted wid the 3/8th 10mm tails, oil pump is 15 mm t,filter, so yer just strangling the oil flow a couple of threads here for them no up onit https://club.triumph.org.uk/menu/7909/item/43830/view?messagepage=1 https://club.triumph.org.uk/menu/6023/item/460493/view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 hours ago, rogerguzzi said: Hello Nick Do you really think cold oil would lift a 12psi valve? I use the W916/1 which is 0.9 or 13.5psi I this another reason for using modern synthetic oils? But surely the manufacturer allows for cold oil? I thought it was just there for if the filter got very dirty? Roger The W916 is a bit longer but the W77 has another version which is the same small size but with a 2.2bar bypass pressure for really cold oil..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 10 hours ago, GT6M said: Doug, if it dont drain back, then wots this awfull clatter that yer hearing, M, suggest you re-read the thread. I used to have rattle until I got a spin on, now noise eliminated. 11 hours ago, GT6M said: A verticle filter helps here, as the oil pump is just fill,n half the adaptor, and not the filter angled filter empty owa time, Really?!!. Surely the pump is pumping into the adaptor, not drip feeding. The filter is certainly full when I change it Mine's on at 45 degrees and works fine. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Lindsay Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, dougbgt6 said: Mine's on at 45 degrees and works fine. Doug Mine too, filter is anti-drain and at 45 degrees, no problems for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Foster Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Can anyone explain how the anti-drain function in filters works (probably been covered before many times). Many vehicles seem to have the filter mounted to the side of the block (filter horizontal) and also vertically (base of filter upwards, including my wife's Skoda Yeti, I think) so if we use an anti drain filter does it matter. Nick has achieved a reasonable down angle in his Vitesse with the long Mann filter, but only because the engine has been sneaked back an 1" or so. I have a spin on kit and long Mann filter to fit, but have yet to get round to it. Filter sticking upright would be a very neat install if it works. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougbgt6 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Ian, On our cars it's just a crude flap in the oilway inside the filter. One guy on the old forum used to go to the motor factors, line up the relevant stock and blow and suck the filters with a tube until he found the one with the most resistance. That was when we had motor factors. It may be that the Skoda flap is not in the filter but in the block. Would one mounted vertically work on our cars? I have seen them almost horizontal. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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