Pete Lewis Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 so you opted for the modern posh version as for the Commer you need to hear one its a 2 stroke diesel 3 cylinders 6 opposed pistons and a Blower try TS3 on youtube its ultimate nostalgia to me bit like steam engines and triumph 6s Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 "TS3" just gets golf clubs on YouTube, Pete, but found this, I think in Oz from the countryside. The engine note is ... distinctive. The following video is even more noisy, if tha is posisble. JOhn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 this is the 3D199 engine we took out of VSG 7 and fitted a new 3D215 ( 215Cu") Dick Skipworth still has this as a runner on its own rig /stand with no silencers .....nearly as good as a Merlin which blew me hat off Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Oposed piston Engines:- This:- Doxford, (Marine Engine). Sailed on many ships Engined with the later enclosed crankcase. Or. Napier Deltic. (York Railway Museum) Also used in Hunt Class Destroyers. Hey Ho. "old git" time again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Chieftain Tank engine too. British Leyland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Twitchen Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 13 hours ago, PeteH said: Hunt Class Destroyers. Actually Hunt Class minesweepers/hunters not destroyers. The Hunt's are GRP, but engines were originally used in the earlier Ton class 'sweepers which were wood. The Deltics are now being replaced in the Hunt's. Dick (another old sea dog/git) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 and the L60 two stroke tank engine was hush hush developed by (Commer) Tilling Stevens then passed on to Leyland for production ( one of those political not happy idea's) done a search but cant get any facts on this and my friendly chief TS3 diesel man who has all the drawings has passed to the happy grounds Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 19 hours ago, PeteH said: Napier Deltic. (York Railway Museum) Also used in Hunt Class Destroyers. Hey Ho. "old git" time again Easily my favourite engine design by a mile. It's bat-sh1t-crazy in the best possible way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Comment on one of the TS3 videos says they were great at turning fuel into noise. looks like they had a good bit of torque, as they seemed able to slog up hills at a steady if slow pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 They all tend to be noisier, you get one bang per rev, instead of every other rev. In terms of noise v size, I have (somewhere) the noisiest 0.6cc Model Aircraft engine which screams up to 20,000+ RPM, from the days when I competed in "Duration" flying. Vertical take off, 10 seconds, engine cut out, and then glide back to earth, longest flight time = winner. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 on test the TS3 with up to 16 tons would return 16 to 24 mpg if you didnt peg the stop control it would start up when turning the flywheel to fit a new clutch 1964 bhp 117 torque 310lbft rev limit 2450 (did rise to 125bhp but bad for emissions ) if there were no sparks out the exhaust on a dark night your were' not trying . as apprentice i did many miles riding cab with a turbo charged test bed engine 3D215T this boosted to something like 145bhp and the driver only had on ambition to pass the Midland red coaches on the M1 , the twin axle trailer had some nasty tyre wear , i did a tape measure of the wheelbase and they were miles out of parallel . put it right gave him extra 15mph top speed ...he thought i was magic Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I've been messing about with the wiper do dah. I've plugged it all up on the bench using a bulb instead of the wiper motor. With the knob turned all the way down the bulb comes on every 2 seconds or so, all the way up and it's every 40 seconds. I was expecting it to be constantly on when it was all the way down to give constant wiping. Have i missed something? Am i making sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Pete Lewis said: the twin axle trailer had some nasty tyre wear , i did a tape measure of the wheelbase and they were miles out of parallel . put it right gave him extra 15mph top speed ...he thought i was magic Blimey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 that may be just lack of load the wiper motor sucks a lot more current than the light bulb Pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Paula said: Blimey! and I had hair then !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Paula said: I was expecting it to be constantly on when it was all the way down to give constant wiping. Have i missed something? I'm not entirely clear on the intent of the instructions, what with the description of the terminals on the wiper motor being mixed up. I think the "Main Track" terminal is actually the ground connection (which connects to the case) and the "Start/Park" terminal is the one that goes to the existing wiper switch. I'm assuming you did your test with the bulb between "Start/Park" (a.k.a. terminal 3 of the board) and +12V (terminal 6)? If so, and if the "mode switch" turns the intermittent off completely, then a switch from terminal 3 to ground should safely turn the wipers on continuous. It may even be possible to use a two-stage switch (like the main light switch on the dashboard) to provide both functions, so that you get a nice "off-intermittent-continuous" pull switch. However, I'd be able to say so with far more confidence if the documentation of the board was less vague and self contradictory, or if they included circuit diagrams with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 These are the complete instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, NonMember said: I'm assuming you did your test with the bulb between "Start/Park" (a.k.a. terminal 3 of the board) and +12V (terminal 6)? Yes. I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppyman Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Pete Lewis said: and I had hair then !!! It got sucked into the turbo and there it was gone.... Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Dangerous thing`s, (Turbo`s). gotta watch `em!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 and back to Paula's wacky wipers Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 The tangents are the best bits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonMember Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Paula said: These are the complete instructions. Complete with a schematic diagram, which shows... that it wasn't designed for real world application. Oh dear. The "mode" switch appears to be of very little use and should, I think, be replaced with a wire link. It selects between operating the relay with a short pulse or a 50% duty. Because the wipers have self-parking, you only need to get them started, then let them park by themselves. At very short periods the two modes are equally OK, but at long periods the 50% mode will give you three wipes then a gap, three wipes then a gap. That's just silly. Oh, they call it "Cycling on-off". It's still silly. There is no "on-off" switch. At all. The design relies on the power being removed when you don't want intermittent wipers. But that requires the wipers to be top-side-switched (or at least, the "intermittent mode on" switch to be on the top side) whereas Vitesse wipers are ground-side switched. I suppose you could connect terminal 6 to +12V (the green "fused ignition" circuit, I think) and terminal 7 to the intermittent wiper switch (or first stage of a two-stage on). That would probably work as long as the circuit is isolated. And you'd need to wire the second stage of the switch to terminal 3 as I said above. Also, if your master switch is like the headlight one, the relay will keep clicking when you're on full wipers. Probably harmless but annoying. It might be possible to pull a fast one by moving the second stage from T3 to T4&5 (wire link between them, remember) with the result that, when both switch feeds are grounded, the circuit is powered and the oscillator is latched "on", so that the relay drives the wipers continuously, except that you would need to swap D1 and R3 for that to work. And depending on the value of R3, it might get warm. So, in short, I wouldn't have designed it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 is the club sold unit any easier ??? not seen or tried one i presume the club unit does work on our older cars ???? so back to a flick switch then ??? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, NonMember said: Complete with a schematic diagram, which shows... that it wasn't designed for real world application. Oh dear. The "mode" switch appears to be of very little use and should, I think, be replaced with a wire link. It selects between operating the relay with a short pulse or a 50% duty. Because the wipers have self-parking, you only need to get them started, then let them park by themselves. At very short periods the two modes are equally OK, but at long periods the 50% mode will give you three wipes then a gap, three wipes then a gap. That's just silly. Oh, they call it "Cycling on-off". It's still silly. There is no "on-off" switch. At all. The design relies on the power being removed when you don't want intermittent wipers. But that requires the wipers to be top-side-switched (or at least, the "intermittent mode on" switch to be on the top side) whereas Vitesse wipers are ground-side switched. I suppose you could connect terminal 6 to +12V (the green "fused ignition" circuit, I think) and terminal 7 to the intermittent wiper switch (or first stage of a two-stage on). That would probably work as long as the circuit is isolated. And you'd need to wire the second stage of the switch to terminal 3 as I said above. Also, if your master switch is like the headlight one, the relay will keep clicking when you're on full wipers. Probably harmless but annoying. It might be possible to pull a fast one by moving the second stage from T3 to T4&5 (wire link between them, remember) with the result that, when both switch feeds are grounded, the circuit is powered and the oscillator is latched "on", so that the relay drives the wipers continuously, except that you would need to swap D1 and R3 for that to work. And depending on the value of R3, it might get warm. So, in short, I wouldn't have designed it that way. I tried to find the one in the club shop but it’s not there or hiding. What a faf. I’ll play with your suggestions and see if I can blow it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now